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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/cant-i-dissent-on-anything/comment-page-4#comment-62382</link>
		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clinging to my guns and religion, heh?

LOL!

Partner, Christians everyday help the poor and the needy through the sweat of their own brow.  Your slanderous lies and ill informed prejudices are not insightful.  

If you dont like the GOP, then leave and form your own party, or better yet, join the Democrats and have an inter-Democrat party battle for control of the party with Blue Dogs and New Leftists, assorted racists, sexists, and groupists.

You seem to think that I am against being tough on crime and cleaning up the failed welfare policies.  I am not.  That would be the Democrats.   Your battle seems to be largely with the Left, why dont you take it there.

You dont have to believe in God to do or support the right thing.  But you dont have to attack Christians while doing or supporting the right thing.  You might even can form alliances with those dispicable ignoramouses.  LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clinging to my guns and religion, heh?</p>
<p>LOL!</p>
<p>Partner, Christians everyday help the poor and the needy through the sweat of their own brow.  Your slanderous lies and ill informed prejudices are not insightful.  </p>
<p>If you dont like the GOP, then leave and form your own party, or better yet, join the Democrats and have an inter-Democrat party battle for control of the party with Blue Dogs and New Leftists, assorted racists, sexists, and groupists.</p>
<p>You seem to think that I am against being tough on crime and cleaning up the failed welfare policies.  I am not.  That would be the Democrats.   Your battle seems to be largely with the Left, why dont you take it there.</p>
<p>You dont have to believe in God to do or support the right thing.  But you dont have to attack Christians while doing or supporting the right thing.  You might even can form alliances with those dispicable ignoramouses.  LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: Cforchange</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/cant-i-dissent-on-anything/comment-page-3#comment-62369</link>
		<dc:creator>Cforchange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>escaper - Once again, Sam&#039;s point is completely revealed - we don&#039;t agree so I&#039;m some ignorant liberal Hollywood loving loon certainly not a good Republican.  

I am not asking for government programs and if you actually knew anyone living and trying to improve their impoverished community you would learn - they are smart caring people.  They don&#039;t want a hand out either.  They want laws and enforcement that are effective.   They want an environment conducive to free market - that can&#039;t happen when we all turn our backs leaving the criminals and mentally ill residing there mostly unsupervised.  Further, this element is there thanks to shrewd businessmen probably sitting next to you in church, that operate little section 8 enterprises.  

It is not entirely a random event that certain neighborhoods attrack the less desireables - it&#039;s all organized.   Section 8 operators can bring a neighborhood to its knees and expose public safety risks to many innocents.  Add organzined crime who also live in the tony burbs and there&#039;s chaos.  You need to hear this one part of our ills because you just wouldn&#039;t learn this while standing in front of a health clinic.  If you take a gander out a Megan&#039;s website and start to contemplate the risks to children living in proximity to these character&#039;s maybe you would develop a bigger heart for the living - just listen to Jaycee&#039;s story.  I can&#039;t - I&#039;m not over the last shocker George Sodini.  Sorry, money gifts just can&#039;t undo this damage which could be prevented.  

You&#039;ve brought up an interesting trend where the GOP has been so adverse to paying taxes but then loves to give through their faith.  Maybe this biased giving hasn&#039;t worked either because it is tax revenue reductions that have given way to disolving mental health institutions freeing these folks to street living or for the smart ones, internet assault rifle shopping.

Just because you&#039;re clinging to the religion crutch doesn&#039;t prove Christian value ligitimacy.  Look at Ensign and Sanford.  People who act on their own accord usually act out of sincere faith, kindness and anonymity.  Plus sometimes it&#039;s not the money - it&#039;s guidence and reassurance to rebuild confidence is needed more than cash.  Sometimes it&#039;s a new eye and voice to assess what is wrong.  Here in my rustbelt - local affluent churches are not in the circle to help and heal.  

Don&#039;t worry though, if an alternative party rises up to directly confront the issues crippling our country like our broken judicial system, tort abuses and our idle manufacturing base - I&#039;m out and I&#039;m not alone.  I&#039;m in good company that feels that the GOP not me, has gone astray.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>escaper &#8211; Once again, Sam&#8217;s point is completely revealed &#8211; we don&#8217;t agree so I&#8217;m some ignorant liberal Hollywood loving loon certainly not a good Republican.  </p>
<p>I am not asking for government programs and if you actually knew anyone living and trying to improve their impoverished community you would learn &#8211; they are smart caring people.  They don&#8217;t want a hand out either.  They want laws and enforcement that are effective.   They want an environment conducive to free market &#8211; that can&#8217;t happen when we all turn our backs leaving the criminals and mentally ill residing there mostly unsupervised.  Further, this element is there thanks to shrewd businessmen probably sitting next to you in church, that operate little section 8 enterprises.  </p>
<p>It is not entirely a random event that certain neighborhoods attrack the less desireables &#8211; it&#8217;s all organized.   Section 8 operators can bring a neighborhood to its knees and expose public safety risks to many innocents.  Add organzined crime who also live in the tony burbs and there&#8217;s chaos.  You need to hear this one part of our ills because you just wouldn&#8217;t learn this while standing in front of a health clinic.  If you take a gander out a Megan&#8217;s website and start to contemplate the risks to children living in proximity to these character&#8217;s maybe you would develop a bigger heart for the living &#8211; just listen to Jaycee&#8217;s story.  I can&#8217;t &#8211; I&#8217;m not over the last shocker George Sodini.  Sorry, money gifts just can&#8217;t undo this damage which could be prevented.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve brought up an interesting trend where the GOP has been so adverse to paying taxes but then loves to give through their faith.  Maybe this biased giving hasn&#8217;t worked either because it is tax revenue reductions that have given way to disolving mental health institutions freeing these folks to street living or for the smart ones, internet assault rifle shopping.</p>
<p>Just because you&#8217;re clinging to the religion crutch doesn&#8217;t prove Christian value ligitimacy.  Look at Ensign and Sanford.  People who act on their own accord usually act out of sincere faith, kindness and anonymity.  Plus sometimes it&#8217;s not the money &#8211; it&#8217;s guidence and reassurance to rebuild confidence is needed more than cash.  Sometimes it&#8217;s a new eye and voice to assess what is wrong.  Here in my rustbelt &#8211; local affluent churches are not in the circle to help and heal.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry though, if an alternative party rises up to directly confront the issues crippling our country like our broken judicial system, tort abuses and our idle manufacturing base &#8211; I&#8217;m out and I&#8217;m not alone.  I&#8217;m in good company that feels that the GOP not me, has gone astray.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/cant-i-dissent-on-anything/comment-page-3#comment-62362</link>
		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it is you who is arguing that women are so mentally (or at least, morally) deficient that they cannot be entrusted with deciding whether a non-sentient clump of cells within their body should be allowed to remain there.  ---balconesfault


Like this...

http://mgwriters.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/aborted-black-baby.jpg


BTW, what you are doing is what the defenders of slavery did.  They moved to deny that blacks are fully human and thus did not deserve human rights.  They started measuring slopes of foreheads, intelligence, nose widths, etc.


Exit question:  Why are murderers of pregnant women charged with double homicide?  When the woman can determine the next day that the clump of cells is not human and then dispose of it and not be charged with murder?  Seems kind of arbitrary to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it is you who is arguing that women are so mentally (or at least, morally) deficient that they cannot be entrusted with deciding whether a non-sentient clump of cells within their body should be allowed to remain there.  &#8212;balconesfault</p>
<p>Like this&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://mgwriters.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/aborted-black-baby.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://mgwriters.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/aborted-black-baby.jpg</a></p>
<p>BTW, what you are doing is what the defenders of slavery did.  They moved to deny that blacks are fully human and thus did not deserve human rights.  They started measuring slopes of foreheads, intelligence, nose widths, etc.</p>
<p>Exit question:  Why are murderers of pregnant women charged with double homicide?  When the woman can determine the next day that the clump of cells is not human and then dispose of it and not be charged with murder?  Seems kind of arbitrary to me.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/cant-i-dissent-on-anything/comment-page-3#comment-62357</link>
		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, another version of the Women cant help themselves so others rights should be trampled upon.....is the Islamic Burqua.   Men cant help themselves so womens rights should be trampled upon.

Or that rape should not be criminalized because men cant help themselves, she was wearing provacative clothing.

This is what you are doing with women and the unborn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, another version of the Women cant help themselves so others rights should be trampled upon&#8230;..is the Islamic Burqua.   Men cant help themselves so womens rights should be trampled upon.</p>
<p>Or that rape should not be criminalized because men cant help themselves, she was wearing provacative clothing.</p>
<p>This is what you are doing with women and the unborn.</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
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		<dc:creator>balconesfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;This idea that women are so weak willed and mentally deficient that they cant be held responsible for their own actions&lt;/b&gt;

Actually, it is you who is arguing that women are so mentally (or at least, morally) deficient that they cannot be entrusted with deciding whether a non-sentient clump of cells within their body should be allowed to remain there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This idea that women are so weak willed and mentally deficient that they cant be held responsible for their own actions</p>
<p>Actually, it is you who is arguing that women are so mentally (or at least, morally) deficient that they cannot be entrusted with deciding whether a non-sentient clump of cells within their body should be allowed to remain there.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
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		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you dont want to stand by principles of human rights, even if that makes you the minority.  Then I suggest you leave the Republican Party and join the Democrats or create a Third Party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you dont want to stand by principles of human rights, even if that makes you the minority.  Then I suggest you leave the Republican Party and join the Democrats or create a Third Party.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rightswingsparkle:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
but being pro-life is foundational. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That answers that.  I&#039;ll remain a registered Independent.

BTW, single women are the second fastest growing voting bloc in America.  Most of them will stay out of the GOP too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rightswingsparkle:</p>
<p>but being pro-life is foundational. </p>
<p>That answers that.  I&#8217;ll remain a registered Independent.</p>
<p>BTW, single women are the second fastest growing voting bloc in America.  Most of them will stay out of the GOP too.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
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		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This argument that woman are not capable of being responsible for their own actions is utter tripe and frankly disrespectful to woman as equal intelligent rational human beings.

Actions have consequences.  The Left would like to disassociate actions from consequences, by ensuring equal outcomes....also known as radical egalitarianism.  In this fashion they can use the state to equalize everyone, no matter their actions or even cultures that produce ill effects for individuals. 

Woman do not have to get pregnant.  They can refrain from having intercourse which ensures that they will not get pregnant.  They can use available birth controls and hope for the best....but if they get pregnant then they have to willing to live with the consequences....the responsibility of bearing and raising a child.  

So you are either infantilizing women....or you are allowing women to abuse others rights in subservience to their own selfish social and economic benefit.....or both.   And either or both are dispicable.....and lack respect for women and unborn children.

This idea that women are so weak willed and mentally deficient that they cant be held responsible for their own actions....and thus become entrapped as subservients to the patriarchy or the state is so pathetic, that I cant believe that you are making it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This argument that woman are not capable of being responsible for their own actions is utter tripe and frankly disrespectful to woman as equal intelligent rational human beings.</p>
<p>Actions have consequences.  The Left would like to disassociate actions from consequences, by ensuring equal outcomes&#8230;.also known as radical egalitarianism.  In this fashion they can use the state to equalize everyone, no matter their actions or even cultures that produce ill effects for individuals. </p>
<p>Woman do not have to get pregnant.  They can refrain from having intercourse which ensures that they will not get pregnant.  They can use available birth controls and hope for the best&#8230;.but if they get pregnant then they have to willing to live with the consequences&#8230;.the responsibility of bearing and raising a child.  </p>
<p>So you are either infantilizing women&#8230;.or you are allowing women to abuse others rights in subservience to their own selfish social and economic benefit&#8230;..or both.   And either or both are dispicable&#8230;..and lack respect for women and unborn children.</p>
<p>This idea that women are so weak willed and mentally deficient that they cant be held responsible for their own actions&#8230;.and thus become entrapped as subservients to the patriarchy or the state is so pathetic, that I cant believe that you are making it.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>balconesfault:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
As I said … scream louder. It is certainly the pathway to a New Majority. Out of curiousity, do you consider a woman using an IUD to be a murderer?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Kathryn Jean Lopez, now editor of the National Review, has crusaded against all forms of birth control:

&quot;Women weren’t liberated when they were told they could act like men sexually, because anyone who lives in the real world knows that biologically and practically, such a thing is impossible. And if you doubt that, watch Jennifer Aniston’s character in He’s Just Not That into You. It was the sexual revolution that made her misery possible — living into her 40s with a guy who didn’t have to think about real commitment thanks to the Pill.&quot;
    --Kathryn Jean Lopez

Ms. Lopez has stated that preventing abortion through birth control is not enough for her.  She believes it&#039;s important for women to become less sexually active, and to remain virgins till marriage.

I guess that means that Condoleeza Rice, who never married, has to remain a virgin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>balconesfault:</p>
<p>As I said … scream louder. It is certainly the pathway to a New Majority. Out of curiousity, do you consider a woman using an IUD to be a murderer?</p>
<p>Kathryn Jean Lopez, now editor of the National Review, has crusaded against all forms of birth control:</p>
<p>&#8220;Women weren’t liberated when they were told they could act like men sexually, because anyone who lives in the real world knows that biologically and practically, such a thing is impossible. And if you doubt that, watch Jennifer Aniston’s character in He’s Just Not That into You. It was the sexual revolution that made her misery possible — living into her 40s with a guy who didn’t have to think about real commitment thanks to the Pill.&#8221;<br />
    &#8211;Kathryn Jean Lopez</p>
<p>Ms. Lopez has stated that preventing abortion through birth control is not enough for her.  She believes it&#8217;s important for women to become less sexually active, and to remain virgins till marriage.</p>
<p>I guess that means that Condoleeza Rice, who never married, has to remain a virgin.</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&quot;Of course, I havent been screaming.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Look at the Nazis and the Jews&lt;/i&gt;

Sorry man, but going Godwin is the internet version of screaming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Of course, I havent been screaming.&#8221;</p>
<p>Look at the Nazis and the Jews</p>
<p>Sorry man, but going Godwin is the internet version of screaming.</p>
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