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		<title>By: Random quotes on the Obama-Nazi meme &#171; Arthur Goldwag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random quotes on the Obama-Nazi meme &#171; Arthur Goldwag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;History’s actual fascists were not primarily known for their anti-smoking policies or generous social welfare programs. Fascism celebrated violence, anti-rationalism and hysterical devotion to an authoritarian leader. To date, the Obama administration has fallen rather short in these departments&#8230;..Can we get a grip here? It is possible to express opposition to a president’s policies without preposterous name-calling — without diminishing and disparaging the unique experiences of those who did actually suffer from actual persecution by actual Nazis.&#8221;&#8211;David Frum, New Majority [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;History’s actual fascists were not primarily known for their anti-smoking policies or generous social welfare programs. Fascism celebrated violence, anti-rationalism and hysterical devotion to an authoritarian leader. To date, the Obama administration has fallen rather short in these departments&#8230;..Can we get a grip here? It is possible to express opposition to a president’s policies without preposterous name-calling — without diminishing and disparaging the unique experiences of those who did actually suffer from actual persecution by actual Nazis.&#8221;&#8211;David Frum, New Majority [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pauli</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/can-we-get-a-grip/comment-page-12#comment-62185</link>
		<dc:creator>Pauli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, oh. &quot;Sarah Palin gets 1,070+ invitations&quot; to speak. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26604.html

cha-ching, baby</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, oh. &#8220;Sarah Palin gets 1,070+ invitations&#8221; to speak. <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26604.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26604.html</a></p>
<p>cha-ching, baby</p>
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		<title>By: Liberal Fascism ( Obama ) &#171; Thoughts Of A Conservative Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberal Fascism ( Obama ) &#171; Thoughts Of A Conservative Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recent broadside against conservatives who find relevance in fascism and Nazism.  David writes &#8220;can we get a grip here&#8221; and I certainly agree that if people think Obama will become a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recent broadside against conservatives who find relevance in fascism and Nazism.  David writes &#8220;can we get a grip here&#8221; and I certainly agree that if people think Obama will become a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZWQ3Njk0OWNlZGNhZDVmOTFiNjJmYTRkNjMxNWJjYjI=&amp;w=MA==
“Stupid Nation” - “Just how stupid do they think we are?”
By Rich Lowrey
21 AUG 09

Read it.</description>
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“Stupid Nation” &#8211; “Just how stupid do they think we are?”<br />
By Rich Lowrey<br />
21 AUG 09</p>
<p>Read it.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/can-we-get-a-grip/comment-page-12#comment-60847</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DAVID FRUM: They&#039;re going to pass something. So the question for Republicans is what do you want that to be? You have an interest here, too. You would like to see the rise in health care costs slow. And you would like to see more room in the federal budget for tax cuts in the future. There are some mistakes in the way that President Obama has presented his case that have made him vulnerable.

DAVID FRUM: You know, he&#039;s made it very clear why his health care reform will be good for the federal budget. He&#039;s not made it so clear why it would be good for the typical person. That&#039;s a point of vulnerability. But if the Republicans win, this is not going to be a great victory for individual liberty. It&#039;s going to be a victory for the status quo. The people who are angriest in those town halls are people who have an excellent deal on Medicare who are determined to protect it.

DAVID FRUM: You can&#039;t blame them. People are very attached to what they have. But understand the message the political system will take if Obama is defeated is not let&#039;s have a lot more free market individualism. The message the political system will take is never tamper with Medicare again unless it is to make it more generous. From a conservative point of view, from a Republican point of view, is that a good message?
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Transnational Eco-Fascist believe that the Baby Boom generation is too prosperous to deserve the Medicare benefits that the New Majority Politicians (Bush-Clinton-Bush) promised them. &quot;Never tamper with Medicare again unless it is to make it more generous.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DAVID FRUM: They&#8217;re going to pass something. So the question for Republicans is what do you want that to be? You have an interest here, too. You would like to see the rise in health care costs slow. And you would like to see more room in the federal budget for tax cuts in the future. There are some mistakes in the way that President Obama has presented his case that have made him vulnerable.</p>
<p>DAVID FRUM: You know, he&#8217;s made it very clear why his health care reform will be good for the federal budget. He&#8217;s not made it so clear why it would be good for the typical person. That&#8217;s a point of vulnerability. But if the Republicans win, this is not going to be a great victory for individual liberty. It&#8217;s going to be a victory for the status quo. The people who are angriest in those town halls are people who have an excellent deal on Medicare who are determined to protect it.</p>
<p>DAVID FRUM: You can&#8217;t blame them. People are very attached to what they have. But understand the message the political system will take if Obama is defeated is not let&#8217;s have a lot more free market individualism. The message the political system will take is never tamper with Medicare again unless it is to make it more generous. From a conservative point of view, from a Republican point of view, is that a good message?<br />
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Transnational Eco-Fascist believe that the Baby Boom generation is too prosperous to deserve the Medicare benefits that the New Majority Politicians (Bush-Clinton-Bush) promised them. &#8220;Never tamper with Medicare again unless it is to make it more generous.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/can-we-get-a-grip/comment-page-12#comment-60841</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DAVID FRUM: I am not an unorthodox conservative. I think I&#039;m a calm conservative. Right now I think a lot of -- their blood is up. They want to win this fight.

BILL MOYERS: Is that why we&#039;re seeing these protests, these loud, raucous protests?

DAVID FRUM: Well, let&#039;s distinguish between the people who are in those halls, who I think are many-- who, as I say, are people who have a good government plan in Medicare and are anxious because they know that President Obama wants to take a lot of money out of Medicare. That&#039;s how he&#039;s going to finance his plan. 
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Eco-Fascist believe that the Baby Boom generation is too prosperous to deserve the Medicare benefits that the New Majority Politicians (Bush-Clinton-Bush) promised them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DAVID FRUM: I am not an unorthodox conservative. I think I&#8217;m a calm conservative. Right now I think a lot of &#8212; their blood is up. They want to win this fight.</p>
<p>BILL MOYERS: Is that why we&#8217;re seeing these protests, these loud, raucous protests?</p>
<p>DAVID FRUM: Well, let&#8217;s distinguish between the people who are in those halls, who I think are many&#8211; who, as I say, are people who have a good government plan in Medicare and are anxious because they know that President Obama wants to take a lot of money out of Medicare. That&#8217;s how he&#8217;s going to finance his plan.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Eco-Fascist believe that the Baby Boom generation is too prosperous to deserve the Medicare benefits that the New Majority Politicians (Bush-Clinton-Bush) promised them.</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<dc:creator>ottovbvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>warren // Aug 18, 2009 at 10:34 pm 
.........Instead of endlessly repeating yourself and refusing to answer simple questions you really aught to read this comparison of the rational and paranoid because you&#039;ve got it bad man  

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/conspiracy_theory/the_paranoid_mentality/Rational_thinker_versus_paranoid.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>warren // Aug 18, 2009 at 10:34 pm<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Instead of endlessly repeating yourself and refusing to answer simple questions you really aught to read this comparison of the rational and paranoid because you&#8217;ve got it bad man  </p>
<p><a href="http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/conspiracy_theory/the_paranoid_mentality/Rational_thinker_versus_paranoid.html" rel="nofollow">http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/conspiracy_theory/the_paranoid_mentality/Rational_thinker_versus_paranoid.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/can-we-get-a-grip/comment-page-12#comment-60779</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>warren // Aug 17, 2009 at 12:29 pm

Fascism is named after a symbol from the Roman Empire. There are a variety of scholarly works that have been written about what qualifies as “fascist”. Leftist usually insist that the term “fascist” can’t be applied to them because they are not nationalist. However, Obama is a neo-nationalist. His chosen science advisor is also a neo-nationalist. What “neo-nation” am I talking about? Their neo-nation is the World! Obama told the people of the world that he is a “Citizen of the World”. Neo-Nationalist (Citizens of the World) religiously believe that Americans have produced too much carbon dioxide. Eco-Fascist believe that the Baby Boom generation is too prosperous to deserve the Medicare benefits that the New Majority Politicians (Bush-Clinton-Bush) promised them. The Eco-Fascist (Citizens of the World) have a solution for the Unsustainable Baby Boomers.
http://www.cradlesforcodgers.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>warren // Aug 17, 2009 at 12:29 pm</p>
<p>Fascism is named after a symbol from the Roman Empire. There are a variety of scholarly works that have been written about what qualifies as “fascist”. Leftist usually insist that the term “fascist” can’t be applied to them because they are not nationalist. However, Obama is a neo-nationalist. His chosen science advisor is also a neo-nationalist. What “neo-nation” am I talking about? Their neo-nation is the World! Obama told the people of the world that he is a “Citizen of the World”. Neo-Nationalist (Citizens of the World) religiously believe that Americans have produced too much carbon dioxide. Eco-Fascist believe that the Baby Boom generation is too prosperous to deserve the Medicare benefits that the New Majority Politicians (Bush-Clinton-Bush) promised them. The Eco-Fascist (Citizens of the World) have a solution for the Unsustainable Baby Boomers.<br />
<a href="http://www.cradlesforcodgers.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cradlesforcodgers.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Is the government of Iran a Socialist government or a Fascist government?”

On Aug 18, 2009 at 9:33 am, ottovbvs answered the above question as follows:
“some sort of weird jumble of theocracy and democracy……it’s certainly not fascist because one of the hallmarks of a fascist state is that they don’t allow competing political parties”

Note that ottovbvs gives Iran credit for being a democracy.

In addition, ottovbvs exclaims as follows: “In any case none of this has anything to do with your original claim that the Nazi party was socialist…..it wasn’t so why don’t you have the good grace to admit it and we can all get on with life”.

Poor ottovbvs, you have a lot of dictionaries to rewrite before you can get on with your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Is the government of Iran a Socialist government or a Fascist government?”</p>
<p>On Aug 18, 2009 at 9:33 am, ottovbvs answered the above question as follows:<br />
“some sort of weird jumble of theocracy and democracy……it’s certainly not fascist because one of the hallmarks of a fascist state is that they don’t allow competing political parties”</p>
<p>Note that ottovbvs gives Iran credit for being a democracy.</p>
<p>In addition, ottovbvs exclaims as follows: “In any case none of this has anything to do with your original claim that the Nazi party was socialist…..it wasn’t so why don’t you have the good grace to admit it and we can all get on with life”.</p>
<p>Poor ottovbvs, you have a lot of dictionaries to rewrite before you can get on with your life.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/can-we-get-a-grip/comment-page-12#comment-60774</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Nazi
&quot;Na·zi Pronunciation (näts, nt-)
n. pl. Na·zis
1. A member of the National Socialist German Workers&#039; Party, founded in Germany in 1919 and brought to power in 1933 under Adolf Hitler.
2. often nazi An adherent or advocate of policies characteristic of Nazism; a fascist.
adj.
Of, relating to, controlled by, or typical of the National Socialist German Workers&#039; Party.
[German, short for Nationalsozialistische deutsche Arbeiter-Partei, National Socialist German Workers&#039; Party.]&quot;
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ottovbvs,
You may not be able to tell the difference between a democracy and a fascist state but you have done a good job of defining yourself.</description>
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&#8220;Na·zi Pronunciation (näts, nt-)<br />
n. pl. Na·zis<br />
1. A member of the National Socialist German Workers&#8217; Party, founded in Germany in 1919 and brought to power in 1933 under Adolf Hitler.<br />
2. often nazi An adherent or advocate of policies characteristic of Nazism; a fascist.<br />
adj.<br />
Of, relating to, controlled by, or typical of the National Socialist German Workers&#8217; Party.<br />
[German, short for Nationalsozialistische deutsche Arbeiter-Partei, National Socialist German Workers' Party.]&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
ottovbvs,<br />
You may not be able to tell the difference between a democracy and a fascist state but you have done a good job of defining yourself.</p>
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