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		<title>By: Independent</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/bowing-and-scraping-across-the-world/comment-page-3#comment-73193</link>
		<dc:creator>Independent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;According to TPM , Fox News conducted a poll asking : When the president of the United States is traveling overseas, do you think it is appropriate for him to bow to a foreign leader if that is the country’s custom or is it never appropriate for the president to bow to another leader?&quot;  teabag @ #62

the fox poll result you should be interested in claims:

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Fox News Poll: Approval of President Obama Hits New Low, 11-19-2009

Overall, a 57 percent majority says President Obama is providing the kind of leadership they expected, while 17 percent say he is a stronger leader than expected and 23 percent say he&#039;s a weaker leader. When this question was asked about President George W. Bush early in his first term, 68 percent said his leadership was what they expected, 14 percent said he was a stronger leader than expected and 13 percent a weaker leader (July 2001).

Despite the drop in Obama&#039;s approval rating, the president continues to outperform the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue. More than twice as many Americans disapprove (63 percent) as approve (26 percent) of the job Congress is doing.

Moreover, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi&#039;s favorable rating is still in the doldrums, with a 28 percent minority of Americans saying they have a positive view of her and 50 percent holding a negative view. While half of Democrats (50 percent) have a favorable opinion of Pelosi, majorities of Republicans (77 percent) and independents (58 percent) view her unfavorably.

For President Obama, 54 percent of voters have a favorable opinion and 42 percent unfavorable. When he took office in January, 76 percent had a favorable view and 15 percent unfavorable.

First Lady Michelle Obama bests her husband with a 63 percent favorable rating, down from a high of 73 percent favorable in April.

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i think beating up on obama about his bowing is good politics for the republicans, bad bad bad politics for the democrats and terrific news for independents because it proves we haven&#039;t been drinking the kool aid out of the white house trough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;According to TPM , Fox News conducted a poll asking : When the president of the United States is traveling overseas, do you think it is appropriate for him to bow to a foreign leader if that is the country’s custom or is it never appropriate for the president to bow to another leader?&#8221;  teabag @ #62</p>
<p>the fox poll result you should be interested in claims:</p>
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Fox News Poll: Approval of President Obama Hits New Low, 11-19-2009</p>
<p>Overall, a 57 percent majority says President Obama is providing the kind of leadership they expected, while 17 percent say he is a stronger leader than expected and 23 percent say he&#8217;s a weaker leader. When this question was asked about President George W. Bush early in his first term, 68 percent said his leadership was what they expected, 14 percent said he was a stronger leader than expected and 13 percent a weaker leader (July 2001).</p>
<p>Despite the drop in Obama&#8217;s approval rating, the president continues to outperform the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue. More than twice as many Americans disapprove (63 percent) as approve (26 percent) of the job Congress is doing.</p>
<p>Moreover, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi&#8217;s favorable rating is still in the doldrums, with a 28 percent minority of Americans saying they have a positive view of her and 50 percent holding a negative view. While half of Democrats (50 percent) have a favorable opinion of Pelosi, majorities of Republicans (77 percent) and independents (58 percent) view her unfavorably.</p>
<p>For President Obama, 54 percent of voters have a favorable opinion and 42 percent unfavorable. When he took office in January, 76 percent had a favorable view and 15 percent unfavorable.</p>
<p>First Lady Michelle Obama bests her husband with a 63 percent favorable rating, down from a high of 73 percent favorable in April.</p>
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<p>i think beating up on obama about his bowing is good politics for the republicans, bad bad bad politics for the democrats and terrific news for independents because it proves we haven&#8217;t been drinking the kool aid out of the white house trough.</p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/bowing-and-scraping-across-the-world/comment-page-3#comment-73182</link>
		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hikaru at #60?  Did you say something important or on topic?

Didn&#039;t think so.  Head back over to the DailyKos or HuffPo, ok?  It&#039;s more fertile ground with all that manure they spread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hikaru at #60?  Did you say something important or on topic?</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t think so.  Head back over to the DailyKos or HuffPo, ok?  It&#8217;s more fertile ground with all that manure they spread.</p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/bowing-and-scraping-across-the-world/comment-page-3#comment-73181</link>
		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raider1, the Troll Tribe at FrumForum is always defaulting to Bush Bashing; it&#039;s their only play left in the playbook.  They can&#039;t defend Obama with employing the truth... that just damns him and their cause.

AutomaticBS is caught in a dilemma and it&#039;s showing.  In order to defend Obama Messiah &amp; Master, he must lie.  In order to lie, he must do it somewhere or on some venue where he hopes no one will take the time to dissect his rambling, ranting nonsense.

He&#039;s been proven wrong so often on this site, I&#039;d think he&#039;d have some shame at some point.

But for that to happen, he&#039;d have to have character.  That isn&#039;t likely for someone who is still living under a troll&#039;s bridge, in the dark, feasting on dead ferrets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raider1, the Troll Tribe at FrumForum is always defaulting to Bush Bashing; it&#8217;s their only play left in the playbook.  They can&#8217;t defend Obama with employing the truth&#8230; that just damns him and their cause.</p>
<p>AutomaticBS is caught in a dilemma and it&#8217;s showing.  In order to defend Obama Messiah &amp; Master, he must lie.  In order to lie, he must do it somewhere or on some venue where he hopes no one will take the time to dissect his rambling, ranting nonsense.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s been proven wrong so often on this site, I&#8217;d think he&#8217;d have some shame at some point.</p>
<p>But for that to happen, he&#8217;d have to have character.  That isn&#8217;t likely for someone who is still living under a troll&#8217;s bridge, in the dark, feasting on dead ferrets.</p>
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		<title>By: Dispatches from the Republican Self-Immolation, Vol. 2 &#124; Progressive Fix</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/bowing-and-scraping-across-the-world/comment-page-3#comment-73171</link>
		<dc:creator>Dispatches from the Republican Self-Immolation, Vol. 2 &#124; Progressive Fix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bow to the Japanese emperor. Sean Linnane at Frum Forum, applying his expertise on bowing protocol, concluded that Obama “went WAY too low; it is only one step above a kow tow.” He added, “Compare [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] bow to the Japanese emperor. Sean Linnane at Frum Forum, applying his expertise on bowing protocol, concluded that Obama “went WAY too low; it is only one step above a kow tow.” He added, “Compare [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Raider1</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/bowing-and-scraping-across-the-world/comment-page-3#comment-73104</link>
		<dc:creator>Raider1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Otto...you&#039;re reply to my laying waste to Obama;s credentials are &quot;obviously pining for...GWB.&quot;  Is that your guys&#039; default response everytime you have no defense of Obama?   (That he isn;t Bush?

And which identty are you today by the way?  The acedemic, the oil man?  Just want to know who i am speaking to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Otto&#8230;you&#8217;re reply to my laying waste to Obama;s credentials are &#8220;obviously pining for&#8230;GWB.&#8221;  Is that your guys&#8217; default response everytime you have no defense of Obama?   (That he isn;t Bush?</p>
<p>And which identty are you today by the way?  The acedemic, the oil man?  Just want to know who i am speaking to.</p>
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		<title>By: teabag</title>
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		<dc:creator>teabag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to TPM , Fox News conducted a poll asking :

When the president of the United States is traveling overseas, do you think it is appropriate for him to bow to a foreign leader if that is the country&#039;s custom or is it never appropriate for the president to bow to another leader?

After the noise made by the pundits on cable news, you would think that Americans would crucify their President once back home. Karl Rove called him &quot;Weak&quot; for respecting over culture. Dick Cheney came out from his undisclosed location or cave to blast the POTUS arguing that &quot;No POTUS should bow, it shows weakness to our allies&quot;, Bill Kristol said that &quot;President Palin would have never bowed&quot; (I guess that&#039;s why about 60% of American think that Palin isn&#039;t qualified to be president), Wolf Blitzer played the tape over and over again in the Situation even though Jack Cafferty told him that People don&#039;t care...etc.

Here the &quot;surprising&quot; response from the American People, and I remind you that was a FoxNews Poll, not some &quot;Liberal biais&quot; poll.

Appropriate 67%, Never appropriate 26%. Even a majority of Republican respondents were okay with the bow, by a 53%-40% margin. Democrats weigh in at 84%-9%, and independents 62%-30%.

I guess that&#039;s why FoxNews, CNN, MSNBC stopped their stupid coverage of their Bow-Gate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to TPM , Fox News conducted a poll asking :</p>
<p>When the president of the United States is traveling overseas, do you think it is appropriate for him to bow to a foreign leader if that is the country&#8217;s custom or is it never appropriate for the president to bow to another leader?</p>
<p>After the noise made by the pundits on cable news, you would think that Americans would crucify their President once back home. Karl Rove called him &#8220;Weak&#8221; for respecting over culture. Dick Cheney came out from his undisclosed location or cave to blast the POTUS arguing that &#8220;No POTUS should bow, it shows weakness to our allies&#8221;, Bill Kristol said that &#8220;President Palin would have never bowed&#8221; (I guess that&#8217;s why about 60% of American think that Palin isn&#8217;t qualified to be president), Wolf Blitzer played the tape over and over again in the Situation even though Jack Cafferty told him that People don&#8217;t care&#8230;etc.</p>
<p>Here the &#8220;surprising&#8221; response from the American People, and I remind you that was a FoxNews Poll, not some &#8220;Liberal biais&#8221; poll.</p>
<p>Appropriate 67%, Never appropriate 26%. Even a majority of Republican respondents were okay with the bow, by a 53%-40% margin. Democrats weigh in at 84%-9%, and independents 62%-30%.</p>
<p>I guess that&#8217;s why FoxNews, CNN, MSNBC stopped their stupid coverage of their Bow-Gate</p>
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		<title>By: VA Shepherd</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/bowing-and-scraping-across-the-world/comment-page-3#comment-73098</link>
		<dc:creator>VA Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those who say this matter is trivial and unimportant, and that such bowing is customary in Japan:

Obama&#039;s bizarre bowing first to the Saudi king and now the Japanese emperor is relevant because it reveals his unfortunate lack of leadership ability.  Someone who makes a habit of apologizing and bowing to the rest of the world is not a suitable leader.  Obama&#039;s apologists can ridicule his critics as much as they like, but it doesn&#039;t change the facts; national leaders do not lower themselves to his level, as evidenced by this compilation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U6fL7Y4BZA

As far as Japanese custom is concerned:  As most people are aware, Japan has a highly formalized culture and etiquette is taken very seriously.  Besides schools and martial arts dojos, it is also taught at major corporations to ensure that employees don&#039;t make a blunder like Obama did.  For one thing, you either bow or shake hands, not both, but that&#039;s a typical amateur mistake.  If you do bow, there are prescribed degrees depending on the situation.  The degree to which Obama bowed would be suitable (minus handshake) for a subordinate making an abject apology to a superior, or from a subject to his sovereign.

I lived over 20 years in Asia, half of that spent in Japan.  I also spent my time in the dojo, where etiquette, including bowing, is very important.  Japanese TV variety shows frequently feature dressed up monkeys doing tricks.  That&#039;s largely how the Japanese view foreigners who butcher their language or otherwise attempt to navigate through their culture, and that is how Obama&#039;s amateurish bow will be seen, but don&#039;t expect the Japanese to tell you that - they&#039;re much too polite.

The real question is not why Obama bowed (it&#039;s obvious he&#039;s an amateur), but why he committed this blunder a second time.  Where are his handlers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those who say this matter is trivial and unimportant, and that such bowing is customary in Japan:</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s bizarre bowing first to the Saudi king and now the Japanese emperor is relevant because it reveals his unfortunate lack of leadership ability.  Someone who makes a habit of apologizing and bowing to the rest of the world is not a suitable leader.  Obama&#8217;s apologists can ridicule his critics as much as they like, but it doesn&#8217;t change the facts; national leaders do not lower themselves to his level, as evidenced by this compilation:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U6fL7Y4BZA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U6fL7Y4BZA</a></p>
<p>As far as Japanese custom is concerned:  As most people are aware, Japan has a highly formalized culture and etiquette is taken very seriously.  Besides schools and martial arts dojos, it is also taught at major corporations to ensure that employees don&#8217;t make a blunder like Obama did.  For one thing, you either bow or shake hands, not both, but that&#8217;s a typical amateur mistake.  If you do bow, there are prescribed degrees depending on the situation.  The degree to which Obama bowed would be suitable (minus handshake) for a subordinate making an abject apology to a superior, or from a subject to his sovereign.</p>
<p>I lived over 20 years in Asia, half of that spent in Japan.  I also spent my time in the dojo, where etiquette, including bowing, is very important.  Japanese TV variety shows frequently feature dressed up monkeys doing tricks.  That&#8217;s largely how the Japanese view foreigners who butcher their language or otherwise attempt to navigate through their culture, and that is how Obama&#8217;s amateurish bow will be seen, but don&#8217;t expect the Japanese to tell you that &#8211; they&#8217;re much too polite.</p>
<p>The real question is not why Obama bowed (it&#8217;s obvious he&#8217;s an amateur), but why he committed this blunder a second time.  Where are his handlers?</p>
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		<title>By: Hikaru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hikaru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone, here or on HuffPo loses the argument when they are just mocking and calling others names.

I haven&#039;t seen anything of substance from you. Just calling people unpatriotic and dumb only feeds your own ego. No one is listening MI-GOP.......

No one is listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone, here or on HuffPo loses the argument when they are just mocking and calling others names.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen anything of substance from you. Just calling people unpatriotic and dumb only feeds your own ego. No one is listening MI-GOP&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>No one is listening.</p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
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		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said @ #54:

You can bet that when TeaBagged or BlankHead or BS-boi are over on HuffPo or the Democrat Underground and a GOPer strays into their sewer, they are quick as a revenue agent to scream “chickenhawk”, “keyboard militia”, “Nazi fascist” and the worst label they can attach to someone is “patriot” –said with an ACLU sneer that would make Bill Ayers fall in love again.

They are a sad lot and deserve our pity. I’m not sure they deserve access to the forum; but that’s a policy matter for the creator, David Frum.

It’s good enough to know that they are outclassed and p’wned more often than NancyPelosi visits the plastic surgeon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said @ #54:</p>
<p>You can bet that when TeaBagged or BlankHead or BS-boi are over on HuffPo or the Democrat Underground and a GOPer strays into their sewer, they are quick as a revenue agent to scream “chickenhawk”, “keyboard militia”, “Nazi fascist” and the worst label they can attach to someone is “patriot” –said with an ACLU sneer that would make Bill Ayers fall in love again.</p>
<p>They are a sad lot and deserve our pity. I’m not sure they deserve access to the forum; but that’s a policy matter for the creator, David Frum.</p>
<p>It’s good enough to know that they are outclassed and p’wned more often than NancyPelosi visits the plastic surgeon.</p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
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		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BlankHead contends: &quot;For MI-GOPer, fealty to the Republican Party should be the price of admission to any discussion.&quot;

Not at all, troll.  On a site that dedicated to inviting all Americans --even unpatriotic ones like you-- to a free-wheeling debate of the day&#039;s headlines... that would be the place for you and your troll&#039;ish tribe whilst feasting on rotting ferrets under the bridge.

Here, as I&#039;ve pointed out before to you and your oh-so dense and thick headed tribe, the site is dedicated to rebuilding the GOP and the conservative movement.  That&#039;s why we&#039;re here... you&#039;re here to inflame, incite, irritate and annoy --to spoil and defraud.

I would no more head over to HuffPo or the DailyKos to flame on true-fire eating Obama worshipers than I would attend a DNC convention.

But for you and your tribe, you are here for one unconstructive purpose: to thwart anyone interested in rebuilding the Party.

Loyalty to the Party or oaths aren&#039;t the issue, BlankHead.  Why you are here is the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BlankHead contends: &#8220;For MI-GOPer, fealty to the Republican Party should be the price of admission to any discussion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not at all, troll.  On a site that dedicated to inviting all Americans &#8211;even unpatriotic ones like you&#8211; to a free-wheeling debate of the day&#8217;s headlines&#8230; that would be the place for you and your troll&#8217;ish tribe whilst feasting on rotting ferrets under the bridge.</p>
<p>Here, as I&#8217;ve pointed out before to you and your oh-so dense and thick headed tribe, the site is dedicated to rebuilding the GOP and the conservative movement.  That&#8217;s why we&#8217;re here&#8230; you&#8217;re here to inflame, incite, irritate and annoy &#8211;to spoil and defraud.</p>
<p>I would no more head over to HuffPo or the DailyKos to flame on true-fire eating Obama worshipers than I would attend a DNC convention.</p>
<p>But for you and your tribe, you are here for one unconstructive purpose: to thwart anyone interested in rebuilding the Party.</p>
<p>Loyalty to the Party or oaths aren&#8217;t the issue, BlankHead.  Why you are here is the issue.</p>
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