Birther Queen Not Convinced

April 27th, 2011 at 1:58 pm | 35 Comments |

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TPM reports:

In a development that will surprise no one, it turns out that President Barack Obama’s decision to release his long-form birth certificate hasn’t quieted members of the “birther” movement who promote the conspiracy theory that he wasn’t born in the United States.

“Look, I applaud this release. I think it’s a step in the right direction,” so-called “birther queen” Orly Taitz told me in one of her many media interviews this morning. “I credit Donald Trump in pushing this issue.”

But she still has her suspicions. Specifically, Taitz thinks that the birth certificate should peg Obama’s race as “Negro” and not “African.”

“In those years … when they wrote race, they were writing ‘Negro’ not ‘African’,” Taitz says. “In those days nobody wrote African as a race, it just wasn’t one of the options. It sounds like it would be written today, in the age of political correctness, and not in 1961 when they wrote white or Asian or ‘Negro’.”

Taitz says she’s not giving up her fight. She also claims Obama isn’t a “natural born citizen” because she uses a standard that requires both parents to be American citizens — a misreading of the Constitution which if enforced would have rendered several other American Presidents ineligible.

Obama predicted this type of reaction from Taitz and those he described as “carnival barkers” in his comments to reporters on Wednesday.

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35 Comments so far ↓

  • armstp

    I guess let her get her last 15 minutes…

  • valkayec

    Racism doesn’t die just because of facts. Nor does irrational hatred.

    It’s time for the media to move on and stop giving this obsessed woman a forum on which to speak.

  • Rob_654

    She has no other choice really – she is so wrapped up in being a Birther that to come out and say she is wrong would mean she would have a hard to generating public attention in the future for her next crack pot idea. It really is sad in a way.

  • ScoopAway

    “But she still has her suspicions. Specifically, Taitz thinks that the birth certificate should peg Obama’s race as “Negro” and not “African.””
    ~~~

    Let me correct that for you, Orly dear — “Nigger”. Happy now?

    Earlier today, when Trump was asked by someone from MSNBC if he had seen the long form yet, he said that he hadn’t. When offered a copy, he wasn’t even interested in looking at it. Carnival Barker indeed.

    • Carney

      Stay classy.

      I do think her implication that this original form must be a forgery based on the notion that modern day PC forgers would have been unable to bring themselves to type “Negro”, or would have been ignorant of the term’s commonplace status at the time, is cracked though. If you were ruthless and skilled enough to fake up an original birth cert, and “Negro” was what Hawaii used then, you’d have put that in there, even though “Negro” is no longer PC (despite MLK having used it).

      As for Trump, he’s a clown, but why would he need to look at it? He’s gotten what he wanted – the President to conform to his demands.

      • anniemargret

        Carney> let me correct you. The President didn’t ‘conform’ to Trump’s demands. (Limbaugh said the same thing today).

        The President is an adult. This is contrary to the puerile and infantile behavior of the ‘leaders’ of the GOP, of which now you can include Trump the bloviator.

        Because Obama is an adult, he understands his duty to fulfill.. which means as President he has to work on issues that are affecting every American and the world at large. Which means the birther controversy, of which every Republicans is now obsessed, has been put to rest. He put it to rest to get the issues back on the burner where they are supposed to be.

        Which means…that the Republicans cannot handle leadership in any way, shape or form. They are infantile and boorish, immature and insecure. Let’s add jealous, too.

        Until and when they legitimately deal with their own demons, the rest of America, the sane ones that are watching this GOP freak show, are going to support the POTUS.

    • Rob_654

      ScoopAway // Apr 27, 2011 at 2:46 pm

      I thought that same thing but didn’t want to type it – so thank you for laying it out there – that is precisely what this woman wants to see on the certificate.

  • West of the Rockies

    Yes, all quite pathetic. Obama gave them exactly what they asked for. Now it’s not enough. Well, I think Obama is really doing what Zappa suggested (I paraphrase): “Stupid isn’t going away; you have to make it work for you.” Well-played, Mr. President! You’re making the birthers look more and more like the morons they are.

    • LFC

      That’s probably why Obama never gave it in the first place. They were never going to accept the document. So they spent 3 years crashing up against this particular fact and now that it’s in their face, they have to scratch and claw for something else. Of course, the oxygen on this issue is mostly gone now. Actually, Obama played the crazies pretty well.

  • politicalfan

    Sad times.

  • Frumplestiltskin

    yes, of course, African…uh…as though they would think of everything but not that Negro was how some people referred to American blacks, which incidenally Barack Obama’s father was not, he was African.

    and Taitz is not even an American. I say we should send her back to wherever she came from.

  • Frumplestiltskin

    Terry, right, she does have some damn nerve. Look, I live in Mexico, I have an FM2. I am mindful of Mexicans feelings, I don’t tell them who is or who is not eligible to be President of Mexico. She has zero respect for Americans. I am not saying she has no right to express an opinion, just that she has no right to tell Americans who is or is not eligible to be President based on her European values. We have a Constitution, she doesn’t like it she can go to hell.

  • ScoopAway

    “and Taitz is not even an American. ”

    She has been a naturalized American citizen for almost 20 years. Loony as she is, she can say what she wants.

    • Frumplestiltskin

      I am not saying she can’t express her opinion, but I am expressing my opinion that I wish she had the decency as an immigrant to not lecture American citizens on who can or can not be President based on European (not American) values. I talk about Madison and she talks about Vattel.

      Anyway, she is no more truly American than I am Mexican, I, at least, have the decency to admit it and behave modestly. I am eligible for Mexican citizenship, but see no need for it. If I did choose to become one I would still behave modestly and not tell Mexicans who should be President of Mexico based on American values.

      • ScoopAway

        “Anyway, she is no more truly American than I am Mexican, I, at least, have the decency to admit it and behave modestly. I am eligible for Mexican citizenship, but see no need for it.”
        ~~~

        Sorry, Taitz is a sworn, legal American citizen. You may not like it, but she can vote, she can freely express her opinion, she can do whatever anyone else born in the US can do. Except be president of course.

  • notabene1

    Did the dumbshit even look at the birth certificate? It doesn’t even list the president’s race. It lists Obama’s father–his FATHER–as African. Why? Because the FATHER was born in Kenya, East Africa. AFRICA!!!!! (See lines 8, 9 & 11.). Pretty sloppy work, Orly, you know, for a lawyer/dentist/real estate agent.

  • PracticalGirl

    If it weren’t for the nasty truth of her foreign birth, I’d put her up as VP.

    “Trump-Taitz in ’12″

    Say it three times fast, and it sounds almost as obscene as the thought of the ticket.

  • ScoopAway

    Better yet, how about a sit-com for the pair…. Orly and The Donald.

  • blueshark

    Well, of course she’s not convinced; she’s a lunatic who’s been sanctioned $25,000 by a federal district court for repeatedly filing frivolous motions in a Birther case. And despite being a lawyer, her knowledge of U.S. Constitutional and immigration law (I’ve read her briefs) is pathetic.

    • Crime Dog

      She’s a lawyer in the sense she got a law degree from a diploma mill school. She doesn’t possess the (admittedly quite low) standards of intelligence and decency required to actual be a member of the legal profession.

      • SqueekyFromm

        That is not true. Dr. Taitz has two advanced degrees. Plus, she is a practicing attorney. And, a dentist.

        Squeeky Fromm
        Girl Reporter

        • Bunker555

          08/03/09

          Stay Away

          by jameskw at Citysearch

          I think she is overcharging based on her rates but who knows, and smells awful when up close. She’s an uncaring doctor in my opinion and just not very personable.

          I emailed Lisa Liberi and informed her of the statements Dr. Taitz had made about her. I also informed Mrs. Liberi about Dr. Taitz soliciting perjured testimony from me in her (Dr. Taitz) California Case against President Obama and the fact that Dr. Taitz admitted knowing the Kenyan Birth Certificates she filed in Court in her California case, as genuine, claiming President Obama was born in Kenya, were fake and fraudulent.
          http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=3633

        • anniemargret

          You mean she can clean teeth, drill cavities and use LexisNexus all at the same time? And appear in court to sue Obama too in her spare time?

          Holy stinky cheese, Batman… we’ve been foiled.

      • Rob_654

        She does have advanced degrees – but not from Harvard.

        • anniemargret

          which only proves one thing…..that people with Big Money (Trump) and people with Advanced Degrees (Orly) can still be sleazy.

    • pnumi2

      blueshark

      You hit the nail on the head. If she acknowledged the genuineness of the birth certificate, it would demonstrate the frivolous nature of her motions. By clinging to her disbelief, she maintains the spongeworthiness of her case.

  • medinnus

    I’ve been saying that if Obama did release the form, the idiot Birthers would scream “Conspiracy! Forgery! Not good enough!”

    And sure enough…

    There will never be enough evidence to convince those who drink the Birther kool-aid and wear their tin hats. Obama is a “Kenyan Marxist Muslim” – you know, an educated black man – and therefore he can’t be legitimate in their eyes. Ever.

  • talkradiosucks.com

    “That is not true. Dr. Taitz has two advanced degrees. Plus, she is a practicing attorney. And, a dentist.”

    Her law degree is from Taft University, a “distance education, online-based law school” that is “unaccredited” by the California bar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taft_Law_School

    blueshark is also correct about the sanction, though I believe it was $20,000.

  • rbottoms

    Fuck Orly Taitz.

  • anniemargret

    I wish Obama had waited just another week or so.. Until the Bigots of the Right, Palin/Gringrich/Limbaugh/Beck/Hannity/Trump, etc….could make more useless and insane comments, proving their unworth.

    Then Obama could have sprung the certificate on their distorted faces, while the rest of America duly praises him as playing rope-a-dope brilliantly. ;-)

  • valkayec

    Conspiracy theorists will never go away. I’m sitting here watching an old movie about Andrew Johnson’s impeachment. Should we not be aspiring to a higher level of discourse than to re-fight the Civil War or the Civil Rights Amendment?

    Orly Taits, WND, Trump, and Limbaugh exhibit the prejudice which Pres. Johnson, and later Eleanor Roosevelt, tried to overcome. No person should be judged based on the color of his or her skin, but on the nature of his/her character. Yet, we continue to deal with people who, on no real evidence, wish to deny a person of color the great office of the presidency.

    Is this the best of this Union? The best of this Nation?

    Oh, I know the conspiracy theorists adamantly declaim the notion of racism, but what else can it be? No evidence satisfies them.

    But would they claim John McCain, had he been elected, illegible? McCain was born in Panama and possibly held a duel citizenship until his 18th (or 21st birthday) when he had to make a choice on his citizenship. Would these same birthers state that Herbert Hoover was not a legal President because his mother was born in Canada? No, I don’t think so.

    So, I ask when will this country get beyond race and accept each person based on character, intelligence, and ability rather than the color of a person’s skin? I suspect that young people today are looking at this non-argument and shaking their heads at their parents and leaders, feeling both pity and shame as I did about my prejudiced parents and those who argued that non-whites were genetically not as intelligent.

    Racism of any sort has no place in this country. Not in a country which holds as among its highest beliefs “that all men are created equal.” Any GOPer who does not stand up and state unequivocally that the matter is settled, and has always been settled, does not deserve our votes any more than John C. Calhoun did prior to the Civil War.

    Our nation has strived and fought to become better than Iraq or Afghanistan or Bahrain or Rwanda or Somalia. We can be better. That is our heritage and our hope amongst the peoples of the world.

    Orly Taits and her ilk are a disgrace to democracy.