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		<title>By: cpanza</title>
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		<dc:creator>cpanza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Otto: 

Not surprising, though, is it? The whole point is (a) to make sure you have a steady diet of outrage and (b) to make sure that the outrage expressed makes you feel better about yourself. Bartlett&#039;s columns can often offer a lot for the (a) column but nothing to offer in the (b) column, as the outrage (in this case) would have to be directed at oneself. 

There isn&#039;t a big market for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Otto: </p>
<p>Not surprising, though, is it? The whole point is (a) to make sure you have a steady diet of outrage and (b) to make sure that the outrage expressed makes you feel better about yourself. Bartlett&#8217;s columns can often offer a lot for the (a) column but nothing to offer in the (b) column, as the outrage (in this case) would have to be directed at oneself. </p>
<p>There isn&#8217;t a big market for that.</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<dc:creator>ottovbvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>10 cpanza // Nov 20, 2009 at 10:11 pm 

.......a deafening silence ensues from the usual &quot;hypocrisy&quot; suspects</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10 cpanza // Nov 20, 2009 at 10:11 pm </p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;.a deafening silence ensues from the usual &#8220;hypocrisy&#8221; suspects</p>
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		<title>By: cpanza</title>
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		<dc:creator>cpanza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also printed here at Bartlett&#039;s blog, FWIW:


http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also printed here at Bartlett&#8217;s blog, FWIW:</p>
<p><a href="http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/" rel="nofollow">http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/</a></p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<dc:creator>ottovbvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MI-GOPer // Nov 20, 2009 at 8:50 am
Independent // Nov 20, 2009 at 1:41 pm 
sinz54 // Nov 20, 2009 at 10:15 am 

........David and the Kool Aiders listed above might like to read this piece by Bruce Bartlett in the current edition of Forbes where he explains how GWB with the prescription drug benefit added about 15.5 trillion in present value terms to the national debt.....AND NONE OF IT WAS FUNDED......unlike the healthcare bill which at least has some offsets......Bartlett calls these jokers for what they are.......hypocrites! 


http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/19/republican-budget-hypocrisy-health-care-opinions-columnists-bruce-bartlett.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MI-GOPer // Nov 20, 2009 at 8:50 am<br />
Independent // Nov 20, 2009 at 1:41 pm<br />
sinz54 // Nov 20, 2009 at 10:15 am </p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;..David and the Kool Aiders listed above might like to read this piece by Bruce Bartlett in the current edition of Forbes where he explains how GWB with the prescription drug benefit added about 15.5 trillion in present value terms to the national debt&#8230;..AND NONE OF IT WAS FUNDED&#8230;&#8230;unlike the healthcare bill which at least has some offsets&#8230;&#8230;Bartlett calls these jokers for what they are&#8230;&#8230;.hypocrites! </p>
<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/19/republican-budget-hypocrisy-health-care-opinions-columnists-bruce-bartlett.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/19/republican-budget-hypocrisy-health-care-opinions-columnists-bruce-bartlett.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Independent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Independent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ahhh, we now have a new character and new troll... it&#039;s John McC

not very original, that.

i guess for trolls living under a bridge, this is hard work and heavy intellectual lifting for them.

sad, sad, sad trolls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ahhh, we now have a new character and new troll&#8230; it&#8217;s John McC</p>
<p>not very original, that.</p>
<p>i guess for trolls living under a bridge, this is hard work and heavy intellectual lifting for them.</p>
<p>sad, sad, sad trolls.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnMcC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnMcC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you see, my friend Mr LFC, that all those things that the previous administration did---&#039;special&#039; bills to pay for tw0 wars, Medicare part D&#039;s unfunded subsidy of PHarma and such---those were Bill Clinton&#039;s fault.  He left this horrible surplus.  It was money that belonged to Real Americans.   So the Repubs were only giving it back.  And giving more back.  And more.  Until there was nothing left and the Banks were failing.  Damn that Bill Clinton!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you see, my friend Mr LFC, that all those things that the previous administration did&#8212;&#8217;special&#8217; bills to pay for tw0 wars, Medicare part D&#8217;s unfunded subsidy of PHarma and such&#8212;those were Bill Clinton&#8217;s fault.  He left this horrible surplus.  It was money that belonged to Real Americans.   So the Repubs were only giving it back.  And giving more back.  And more.  Until there was nothing left and the Banks were failing.  Damn that Bill Clinton!!</p>
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		<title>By: LFC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Well that’s commendably honest I suppose. &lt;/i&gt;

Oh, the grudging admission.  While the Dems are still playing some of the Washington budget games, they are LIGHT YEARS ahead of the Republicans in fiscal honesty and attempting to actually pay for what they pass.

- Afghanistan?  CHARGE IT!  (Bush and the GOP Congress refused to even put it in the budget.)

- Iraq?  CHARGE IT!  (Bush and the GOP Congress refused to even put it in the budget.)

- Tax cuts?  CHARGE &#039;EM!  (Hey, they pay for themselves, right?)

- Medicare Part D?  CHARGE IT!  (Head Medicare actuary tells you the cost will be higher than you&#039;re saying?  CHARGE HIM!)

Now if the GOP runs on a plank of 100% honest accounting, I&#039;ll listen.  If they say they&#039;d pull Social Security surpluses out of the general budget figures to show the true amount of the deficit, I&#039;m there.  But judging from their recent borrow and spend ways, I won&#039;t hold my breath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that’s commendably honest I suppose. </p>
<p>Oh, the grudging admission.  While the Dems are still playing some of the Washington budget games, they are LIGHT YEARS ahead of the Republicans in fiscal honesty and attempting to actually pay for what they pass.</p>
<p>- Afghanistan?  CHARGE IT!  (Bush and the GOP Congress refused to even put it in the budget.)</p>
<p>- Iraq?  CHARGE IT!  (Bush and the GOP Congress refused to even put it in the budget.)</p>
<p>- Tax cuts?  CHARGE &#8216;EM!  (Hey, they pay for themselves, right?)</p>
<p>- Medicare Part D?  CHARGE IT!  (Head Medicare actuary tells you the cost will be higher than you&#8217;re saying?  CHARGE HIM!)</p>
<p>Now if the GOP runs on a plank of 100% honest accounting, I&#8217;ll listen.  If they say they&#8217;d pull Social Security surpluses out of the general budget figures to show the true amount of the deficit, I&#8217;m there.  But judging from their recent borrow and spend ways, I won&#8217;t hold my breath.</p>
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		<title>By: teabag</title>
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		<dc:creator>teabag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>though not in the USA army.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>though not in the USA army.</p>
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		<title>By: teabag</title>
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		<dc:creator>teabag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sinz. I am a veteran also.also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sinz. I am a veteran also.also.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>teabag:

VA health care isn&#039;t &quot;free.&quot;  Our veterans PAID for that health care by being willing to give their lives in service to their nation.  Some have been maimed in combat.  That&#039;s payment enough

What have YOU done to deserve taxpayer-supported health care that&#039;s comparable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>teabag:</p>
<p>VA health care isn&#8217;t &#8220;free.&#8221;  Our veterans PAID for that health care by being willing to give their lives in service to their nation.  Some have been maimed in combat.  That&#8217;s payment enough</p>
<p>What have YOU done to deserve taxpayer-supported health care that&#8217;s comparable?</p>
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