A recent study by the Democracy Corps sought to determine the beliefs and views of self-identified conservative Republican voters.
The irony is that, on the victimization scale, only African-Americans, as a group, seem as angry and resentful, as these Beck/Limbaugh conservatives. And, just measuring the comparative historical grievances, there’s really no contest (although, in either case, resentment is a terrible, self-destructive political and psychological tactic. It’s impossible to succeed, let alone flourish, when you are constantly swallowing your own bile, no matter what the historical or psychological justification).
And the latter point is a real political problem–expert demagogues (Coughlin, Sharpton, Rush, Beck) can exploit these resentments, and generate a lot of activity, rage, and negative energy. But they can’t win in a democratic system. Dr. King won, if at the cost of his life. Reagan won. The great union organizers of the 30s and 40s, Reuther and John L. Lewis, won. The anger has to be channeled into positive energy, and movement building, too.
Which is the other thing about the Beck/Limbaugh conservatives in Greenberg’s study: They are sectarian. Greenberg makes the key point that they think they have secret knowledge. All sectarians do. Those ultra-leftists who used to sit around arguing the fine points of Marx and Lenin did too. But if you have “secret knowledge”, it’s very hard to communicate to those who, sadly, don’t know. The people in Greenberg’s focus group say they want to expand their numbers, but they’re too smug and certain about everything to really effectively do so. Good organizers are good listeners (it’s one of the first lessons you learn about organizing–don’t talk, listen). They hear the grievances of others, rather than impress upon them that they, the organizer, have the special, unique answer. They seek new members, rather than revel in their own magic explanations.
This 20% is in a cul de sac, like the leftists of old. And Rush/Beck just exploit them, and help to keep them there.
53 responses so far
1 EscapeVelocity // Oct 17, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Angry demagogues like Patrick Henry and Samuel Adams…
Oops!
2 EscapeVelocity // Oct 17, 2009 at 1:35 pm
In fact this anger is turning Europe Conservative, partner…the pathway to power.
Your assertion is faulty in that you wouldnt propose it for any other groups. All of the New Left groups that were and are angry have gained enormously many concessions and agenda advancements since the 60s.
Instead of trying to marginalize these peoples legitimate concerns, perhaps you should listen to them. What other majority indigenous peoples are having their history erased and rewritten by minority groups, their culture being removed from the public sphere and the wealth redistributed from one group to others based on identity markers.
Could you imagine this being done to Jews?
Wiping out Dead and Live White Christian Males…is a crime against humanity that is currently under process….and these folks dont have a reason to be angry.
LOL!
Get real.
3 rbottoms // Oct 17, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Why is it that ever other group that has fire driving them to achieve seems capable to you of channeling their anger except for those childish blacks?
We became full citizens just under 50 years ago with the signing of the 1965 Voting Rights Act. You’re damn skippy were mad. What of it.
Up until about the time I was ten the playing field was tilted so incredibly against an entire race it’s a wonder blacks hadn’t already risen up and burn the place to the ground. Fortunately Martin Luther King counseled an approach similar to Ghandi (though he got his head blown off for his troubles.) You ought to be thanking Jesus that blacks as a race are as forgiving as we have been.
The United States isn’t Ireland. You don’t have a black army kneecapping whites with power drills and blowing children in department stores. (How many years has that little dispute been going on?) After Kings death we could have made this place Bosnia or Algeria. Instead we took his sacrifice to heart and worked as hard as possible to live to his ideals.
The result? A huge chunk of Republicans voters are so insane over the reality of a black president that hey are ready to believe the man isn’t even a citizen. But that’s not the most sickening part. It’s that the entire Republican leadership of both houses didn’t rise up and state out equivocation that what was being said was pernicious, false, and destructive of our ideals. It’s seen as a sign of strength with McCain says he believes Obama is a citizen instead of a travesty that a couple hundred other Republican elected representatives didn’t do exactly the same.
Angry. Damned right. So some check at Target is rude to you and rappers are insufficiently grateful for all you’ve done for us. So what. We’re pissed and we’re successful too. Wherever the bile from the other side comes from we aren’t letting stop us from achieving.
4 spikeytx86 // Oct 17, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Escapevelocity!
LOL! European Conservative Party’s by and large would be to the left of most if not all elected Democrats!
David Cameron is Championing the National Health Service. If a Conservative championed real, pure, unadulterated socialist Medicine like in Britain he would be excommunicated in a nano-second. That is before we declared him an enemy of the people.
“Angry demagogues like Patrick Henry and Samuel Adams…”
Oh my friggin’ God! You are not comparing Rush and Beck to them are you!?!
Beck can’t make it 5 minutes without blubbering, laughing uncontrollably, or going off on a scream tangent, usually all of the above (a huge sign of Bi-Polar disorder btw).
You think he would declare “Give me liberty or Give me death” if the alternative of death was a real possibility?
If so can I please have a little of what your smoking?
5 spikeytx86 // Oct 17, 2009 at 5:13 pm
rbottoms!
I can never claim to know what it is like to be Black. But I can say this. I grew up poor and white, in a broken home, and was homeless for a brief period, and lived the rest of my teen years in a one room motel room with my family until I was 17.
I don’t know what racism does to ones soul. But I am quite familiar with what soul crushing poverty can do to ones soul and psyche. It makes you Angry, Bitter, Resentful, Desperate, and worst of all the despair and hopelessness consumes you.
I am 23 and have been middle class for about six years now but I still remember the pains of hunger and my heart still races when someone knocks on my door since the only time that happened growing up was when the landlord was coming looking for the rent.
And I didn’t have the added pain of racism on top of that. So I can kind of get why a lot of Black People still harbor cynicism, anger, and distrust. The Black Community is basically barely one generation removed from Jim Crow. But the problem is that consuming anger, rage, and cynicism is destructive. I have seen what despair, rage, and hopelessness do to folks. It consumes them and then it destroys them.
The Black Community needs to channel that emotion into passion and a drive to succeed. And to a large extent they have. But merely blaming white people every time something doesn’t go their way, which a minority of the Black Community still does to an extent, isn’t going to get them anywhere.
Living in the pain and victimization of the past will only trap them there.
As for this new Conservative Victimization Class that is developing, just wow. There is nothing sadder then listening to a middle aged white guy complain because the check out clerk at Barnes and Noble gave him the stink eye when he bought the Reagen Diaries.
6 EscapeVelocity // Oct 17, 2009 at 5:20 pm
As for this new Conservative Victimization Class that is developing, just wow. There is nothing sadder then listening to a middle aged white guy complain because the check out clerk at Barnes and Noble gave him the stink eye when he bought the Reagen Diaries — spikey
If only. Dead White Christian Males are systemactically having their history erased and replaced and their culture subjugated to any and everyone on the planet…..furthermore, being replaced in their ancient homelands by mass immigration from Turd World countries.
Or maybe you think the Native Americans shouldnt be angry and shouldnt have fought the invaders. No you do, you just think that certain groups deserve what they are getting.
Well, the stage for violent conflict is staged, and I wouldnt bet against whitey.
7 EscapeVelocity // Oct 17, 2009 at 5:24 pm
PS – Spikey, you are terribly confused about what is going on in Europe. Its not the Christian Democrats that winning elections. Its the white lower class Social Democrat voter that is moving to the so called Far Right (which is based in identity politics and collectivism)….thus empowering the Christian Democrats by disempowering the Social Democrats. Angry White People are fed up, Islam was the last straw.
8 spikeytx86 // Oct 17, 2009 at 5:36 pm
“If only. Dead White Christian Males are systemactically having their history erased and replaced and their culture subjugated to any and everyone on the planet…..furthermore, being replaced in their ancient homelands by mass immigration from Turd World countries.
Or maybe you think the Native Americans shouldnt be angry and shouldnt have fought the invaders. No you do, you just think that certain groups deserve what they are getting.
Well, the stage for violent conflict is staged, and I wouldnt bet against whitey.”
I’m part Mohawk don’t talk to me about Native American history.
“furthermore, being replaced in their ancient homelands by mass immigration from Turd World countries.”
I’m also part Irish. When my ancestors came here in the 1850’s Ireland was a “Turd World Country”. And they were treated like the scum of the earth by people just like you.
“Well, the stage for violent conflict is staged, and I wouldnt bet against whitey.”
I won’t interrupt your weekend of light reading any further. Enjoy the rest of the turner diaries!
9 EscapeVelocity // Oct 17, 2009 at 5:44 pm
I’m part Mohawk don’t talk to me about Native American history. — spikey
Whitey isnt allowed to talk about anybody elses history, heh?
Well, as I said the stage is set. The zeitgeist in place. The backlash is coming.
Enjoy!
10 EscapeVelocity // Oct 17, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Its really a shame because things could have been different. We could have moved toward equality before the law, equality of opportunity, and individualism.
However what we got was racist and sexist laws that give special preferences, rights, protections, etc based on identity markers. And full on anti Westernism, in which certain groups were excluded from having their own history and culture. We didnt get multiculturalism, we got anti Western multiculturalism.
The backlash will be well deserved.
11 spikeytx86 // Oct 17, 2009 at 6:09 pm
“Whitey isnt allowed to talk about anybody elses history, heh?”
No it means don’t lecture me about it.
And drop the whitey garbage. No one has called you that, I certainly haven’t given that I am almost totally white my self.
And get over yourself. My God I have taken history classes in Public Universities and the text books and Professors were actually pretty kind and supporting of the founders. But there is more to America’s History then just that of white people.
You lecture others about not being real conservatives, how about you look in the damn mirror?
Living in a state of perpetual victim hood and a state of “woe is me” is not Conservative in the least. How about a little personal responsibility? If things didn’t turn out the way you wanted them to in life why don’t you stop looking for a scape goat and take a look in the mirror!
Your screed of victimization could give Al Sharpton a run for his money!
12 Reason60 // Oct 17, 2009 at 6:23 pm
“Dead White Christian Males are systemactically having their history erased and replaced and their culture subjugated to any and everyone on the planet…..furthermore, being replaced in their ancient homelands by mass immigration from Turd World countries.”
Why again, are minorities not flocking to the GOP? WhatUp, indeed, Mr. Steele!
Rush and Beck are sharp polarizing firgures. Sometimes that is exactly what the body politic needs- figures who sharpen the contrast between one group or another, figures who coalesce a new group out of another.
These are not those times; the conservative movement is deeply fractured, between deficit hawks who are willing to cut defense, and defense hawks who are willing to allow deficits; between culture warriors resisting the “Turd World” influx, and the Michael Steeles who see a more inclusive party. Between libertarians and Police State Authoritarians.
What Beck and Rush are doing is further splintering the movement into smaller and smaller segments; notice how even people like Lindsey Graham are being excommunicated from the church of conservatism.
If the conservative movement cannot even find room for Lindsey Graham, how in the world can it hope to gain national dominance?
How do educated people in swing states like Colorado and New Mexico react to Beck’s woo woo black helicopter interpretation of the murals on Rockefeller Center? (that is, people who have read about art history, and know who Diego Rivera was- or wasn’t)
Beck and Rush are not interested in gaining new converts; They can only preach to the choir, and get an amen chorus.
Further, the wedge issues like immigration and gay rights are not in the Beck/ Rush group’s favor. The more the conservative movement listens to the siren song of angry radicalism and white male victimhood, the more they alienate the groups who could be their salvation.
13 spikeytx86 // Oct 17, 2009 at 6:26 pm
reason60!
Absolutely excellent post!
14 anniemargret // Oct 17, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Reason! Spikey! I second your nomination….reason60 nails it . I know my opinion is not wanted since I’m a Dem but hey….what the hey. It was just really good.
15 anniemargret // Oct 17, 2009 at 6:53 pm
But the pendulum has swung that way now for the GOP. Their embrace of extremism within the party has now gotten a strong foothold, so much so that Lindsey Graham is now some kind of pariah. In fact, any Republican who works with Democrats on ‘liberal issues’ such as healthcare reform, renewable energy, diplomatic means vs warfare, etc… is labeled ‘left wing.’ Fer cryin’ out loud…. now Andrew Sullivan is considered ‘liberal’ because he had the audacity to criticize Bush and the Iraq war, and because of his criticism of gay issues in America. There is NO moderation left within the GOP. None. Zip.
16 ottovbvs // Oct 17, 2009 at 6:55 pm
escapevelocity // Oct 17, 2009 at 1:27 pm
“Angry demagogues like Patrick Henry and Samuel Adams…
Oops!”
……..And tell me were Patrick Henry or Samuel Adams ever president, vice president or have any real achievement to their names …….as ever you confuse drumming with practical achievement
escapevelocity // Oct 17, 2009 at 5:24 pm
……the fact that you think there is the remotest similarity in outlook between Cameron’s British conservatives or Merkel’s Christian Democrats and movement conservatives like yourself demonstrates just how little you know about reality……both of them are way way to the left of the Democrats……As for fringe fascist parties like Le Pen’s or Haider’s on the far right with whom you clearly identify it’s probably true they share some fringe populist beliefs like racism with the far populist right in the US but that’s about it……you wouldn’t agree about much else other than bashing ethnic minorities.
17 spikeytx86 // Oct 17, 2009 at 6:55 pm
anniemargret!
Nothing wrong with a few observations from a member of the Majority Party.
It helps to know how others see us.
18 EscapeVelocity // Oct 17, 2009 at 6:56 pm
The Western Lefts assault on Western Civilization and fracturing of the populace into factions based on identity has been a rousing success. Groups that have been here-to-fore not allowed to form their own identity groups and promote their interests are now following the successful model fo the New Left and its myriad of identity groups and Moaist Third World as Proletariat Marxism. The coming conflict is a self fulfilling prophecy….driven by the New Left and their assorted racist, sexist, ethnicist, groupist allies. Of course the White Western Christian Males will continued to be villified, and the chants of “I told you so” will be loud…..but its the Radical New Left that is driving the conflict, there will be equal and opposite reaction to it. Unfortunately the time is very short and may have passed for better solutions to be followed….the New Left Radicals arent interested in them anyways.
The question is, how much or little ugliness, violence, and war will it take as White Western Europeans reassert themselves and their rights to exist as a people and a culture to be valued.
Looking at the Israel-Palestine conflict….I think we can see the future clearly….as it is a subset of this struggle. The Western New Left has turned on them as well….championing policies and outcomes that ensure the destruction of Israel as a Jewish state….empowering the Brown Third World Opressed Proletariat.
Enjoy!
19 EscapeVelocity // Oct 17, 2009 at 7:03 pm
As for fringe fascist parties like Le Pen’s or Haider’s on the far right with whom you clearly identify it’s probably true they share some fringe populist beliefs like racism with the far populist right in the US but that’s about it……you wouldn’t agree about much else other than bashing ethnic minorities. — someone said
This is of course correct. I am an American Conservative. I am pro individualism, equality before the law, and equality of opportunity. Most of the so called Far Right parties in Europe are Identity Group Collectivists….National Socialists. Which I am not.
Im just telling you how it is. Not how I wish it to be. The New Left set up the dominant politcal zeitgeist that we now live in, and others must adapt to it, or they will continue to be the poltiical losers….ie White European Christian Males. They must adopt the ugly identity politics of teh New Left and their gaggle of victimization minority identity groups, so they can get on the field created by the Left and play ball. Sure, its going to be ugly, but that never stopped the Western New Left. They made the game and now they are gonna howl when their avowed enemies play it.
Should have thougth about all this, before embarking on their agenda for power. But alas, they dont care about Western Civilization, only about destroying it, and racial, sex, and groupist civil war is afterall not too terrible a prospect when the goal is the disempowerment and destruction of Western Civilization.
Enjoy!
20 spikeytx86 // Oct 17, 2009 at 7:03 pm
anniemargret!
“But the pendulum has swung that way now for the GOP. Their embrace of extremism within the party has now gotten a strong foothold, so much so that Lindsey Graham is now some kind of pariah. In fact, any Republican who works with Democrats on ‘liberal issues’ such as healthcare reform, renewable energy, diplomatic means vs warfare, etc… is labeled ‘left wing.’ Fer cryin’ out loud…. now Andrew Sullivan is considered ‘liberal’ because he had the audacity to criticize Bush and the Iraq war, and because of his criticism of gay issues in America. There is NO moderation left within the GOP. None. Zip.”
I sadly agree for the most part. Although the reason I don’t care for Sullivan is because of his hateful rants claiming that Bristol Palin’s baby is the product of Incest Rape. Not because he is Gay.
I doubt you will agree with me but I see a lot in my party that I saw in the Democrats from 2000-2006. This “Get back to our roots” mantra of moving the party further and further away from the center and having no other philosophy then being reactionary.
Unfortunately, I think that just like the democrats we will have to endure a few more painful defeats before we “get it” again. And our Country will be worse for it.
21 EscapeVelocity // Oct 17, 2009 at 7:04 pm
I have most in common with UKIP and Gert Wilders PPV.
22 EscapeVelocity // Oct 17, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Not the BNP, Swiss Democrat Party, Norway’s Peoples Party, Swedish Democrats, or the Vlaams Belang.
23 EscapeVelocity // Oct 17, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Unfortunately, I think that just like the democrats we will have to endure a few more painful defeats before we “get it” again. And our Country will be worse for it. — spikey
Nope, Barrack Obama and the SuperMajority Democrat Congress will be such a dissaster for this country….its going to be swept out of power in 2 elections. 2010 and 2012.
24 anniemargret // Oct 17, 2009 at 7:16 pm
spikey…you sound like a reasonable guy. And yes, I got very angry when the Democrats swung too far left to my taste, as I am not on the extreme in the party. And yes, they had to lose and lose big for awhile. The President of the U.S. always wins when he stays centered. The parties can get a taste of their extremists for awhile but if they want to win, really win, they have to stay central and sane. The vast majority of Americans in this country, despite their being registered as Republicans or Democrats or Independents (I was one for awhile), are basically common sense people who basically are reasonable and intelligent enough on most issues. And they really dislike extremism.
25 spikeytx86 // Oct 17, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Escapevelocity!
“Nope, Barrack Obama and the SuperMajority Democrat Congress will be such a dissaster for this country….its going to be swept out of power in 2 elections. 2010 and 2012.”
I have no doubt we will probably pick up considerable seats in the house and a few in the Senate by 2012. We may even have a tiny majority in the house. That’s not exactly earth shattering, it’s typical. The out party almost always gains seats, especially in mid-terms.
As for taking back the WH, I wouldn’t bet the farm. The only one who has a chance is Romney or maybe Pawlenty. But too many in the base don’t trust him (and for good reason for the most part) and others won’t support a Mormon (the hucksters). Pawlenty believes in Global Warming so that pretty much does him in right their for the most part with the base.
The rest of the contenders would probably lead to a 72′ sized electoral defeat.
26 spikeytx86 // Oct 17, 2009 at 7:23 pm
anniemargret!
I agree. I have my partisan moments, but I can be a pretty reasonable person. I am a conservative but I am more concerned about results then ideology. I think we should get back to being the party of Individual Liberty, National Defense, Balanced Budgets, and limited but effective Government.
I am socially conservative on a few issues but I think they should be left to the states, communities, and families mostly. Not the Fed’s.
But I think it’s going to mean a painful 2012 before we figure it out.
I think your a pretty reasonable person as well anniemargret. We can disagree but were not disagreeable LOL!
I wish there were more venues where folks from both sides can have honest discussions and debates where each side can see that the other is indeed a flesh and blood human with cares, emotions, values, and feelings and not the hideous caricatures that the extremes on both sides paint each other.
27 oldgal // Oct 17, 2009 at 8:12 pm
We have switched from the democrats being victims of the evil conservative power brokers to the republicans now being victims of the evil socialists who they deem to be in power. Notice how all of Beck’s and Limbaugh’s problems get laid at the feet of the democrats? In this country victims are considered losers and perceived losers do not get elected.
28 EscapeVelocity // Oct 17, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Except that vicitimization politics has been triumphant the last 40 years…so much so that it has become the zeitgeist.
Reality isnt your strong suit….nor is concern trolling or propaganda, oldgal.
29 anniemargret // Oct 17, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Spikey….I also believe in a strong military, balanced budgets, individual liberty, and limited and effective government. But I also believe there should be more effort to help the working poor, and the middle class who have gotten swallowed up whole and spit out. We used to be the backbone of this country, but now we are being marginalized. The top tier wealthy are getting wealthier, and the middle class are losing jobs, benefits, facing foreclosures, etc… I also believe in renewable energy sources, which of course makes me a pariah with Republicans. I also do not believe in unwinnable or everlasting war, or wars created for purposes other than for purely defensive postures. I believe in social justice, and am concerned about the minorities and gays and women and anyone else in this country who is struggling to keep up the pace with jobs and children to raise. There used to be a time in this country when a father went to work and earned enough to raise a family of four. Now parents have to juggle jobs and kids are left alone, often for too long and get in trouble. I’m for freedom for all, so I believe gays should have the right to marry – I believe the difficult decision of abortions should be kept legal, but rare, with better education and wider use of birth control to prevent abortions and perhaps make a state issue.
So I am not sure where I am anymore, and frankly it is really stupid to box yourself in unless you are a total idealogue for either party. I voted for Obama but it doesn’t mean I have to agree with his views or decisions every time. I have independent thought and will not give that up…not for any party.
I’ve enjoyed visiting this site because I find people here are generally very thoughtful and intelligent, even if I totally disagree with their views. We who we are…we are shaped by our families and life experiences but we should remember we are Americans first…and agree with you it’s nice to have a forum for discussion without personal attacks. Hope for the best!
30 greg_barton // Oct 17, 2009 at 10:42 pm
escapevelocity:
So, hey, escapevelocity…who are you going to kill first?
31 spikeytx86 // Oct 18, 2009 at 1:58 am
anniemargaret!
I agree with a lot of what you are saying. For the most part I think people of both parties, save for the fringe of both of them, want the same things mostly but have different ideas and views of how to achieve them.
For a blessed period from the end of WWII to about when the Berlin Wall fell, though folks were ideological and partisan they still focused more on achieving solutions to pressing problems then on partisanship for its own sake. Johnson’s agenda could not have been passed without the aid of moderate and progressive Republicans and Reagan could not have achieved his agenda without moderate and conservative Democrats. And most importantly, at least till the late 70’s, politics stopped at the waters edge.
I don’t know if we can get back to an era like that. But I sure hope we at least try.
32 anniemargret // Oct 18, 2009 at 9:13 am
Spikey…I like the way you think. Can you imagine? A combined force for good between two political parties, working for the common good, for the strengthening and improvement of our country, instead of the almost limitless backstabbing internal civil war that is now going on on blogs across this country, on national television with talking heads whose only goal in mind is to keep the money flowing in, and with acerbic and sarcasm from our elected officials, who are supposed to be ‘public servants?”
We all talk of the ‘enemy’ supposedly it’s global terrorism, but we are already imploding from within. No nation can adequately fight problems domestically or on the foreign scene effectively without a united goal in mind. Like a good marriage, it takes adults to make one. It’s called give and take.
Instead we have a bunch of adolescents running the show in DC and on the airwaves. We can count on one hand who among them are working for the common good, instead of their own craven little selves. So Spikey…I agree with you. I don’t know if this country can wise up and come together to solve issues affecting the real lives of real people, instead of all this mud-slinging between two political parties more interested in power plays than being true ‘patriots.’
OK…feel better now. Sometimes it’s just so frustrating that a nation with such high technology, a professional military, and gobs of intelligent creative people in it, would end up sounding like the frat boys in Animal House.
33 ottovbvs // Oct 18, 2009 at 12:33 pm
……..Anger is the main animating force in the Republican party today……that’s all they have……nothing constructive whatever……just anger which fuels their obstructionism and nihilism….politically it’s fatal but it’s going to take a few more election cycles for the lightbulb to come on……it will ultimately.
34 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 18, 2009 at 4:06 pm
This guy needs to stop whining about Rush and Beck. If you are not angry at Obama’s statist policies, you aren’t a conseravative and you can take your pretentious lectures and shove them. The fact of the matter is NewMajority is irrelevant because it’s both wrong on the issues and it’s full of hate for popular conservatives. Not a winning combination.
35 spikeytx86 // Oct 18, 2009 at 5:37 pm
conservative-intellectual,
Beck is not a conservative anymore. Now he is an “Libertarian Independent” (it’s hard to keep track since his ideology changes every year).
And if we are so irrelevant then why are you hear? You are basically wasting a Sunday on an irrelevant site in your view.
And most people don’t have a problem with the radio personalities. The problem we have is when they think they call the shots. Heck I listen to Rush most of the time when I am in the car. I think he got a raw deal on the NFL deal. And he does make some good points from time to time, but that doesn’t mean I think he should or is the “voice of our party”.
But Beck is just a lunatic. For petesake he spends more time trashing early twentieth century Presidents then he does going after the Obama administration!
36 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 18, 2009 at 6:09 pm
I don’t watch or listen to Beck. He’s on the Right somewere, don’t care too much how he chooses to self-identify.
This site is irrelevant. That’s just a fact….not my problem if you don’t like it. I’m not in the media and thus I don’t need an audience. I’m not posting exclusively on this website and I’m watching NFL games at the same time. I’ll be deciding for myself what is a waste of time.
Rush is the leader of the conservative movement. You can whine and bitch and moan all you want about it, but he is, and that’s a good thing. He’s never claimed or wants to be the head of the GOP. Sadly, the GOP is more like David Frum, and that’s why McCain just got his ass handed to him.
I don’t think the Obama adminstration would agree with that. Seems like he’s going after a new czar every day, and he toppled Van Jones fairly easily.
I don’t think Beck is a lunatic. I don’t get why he cries so much, but I have to laugh when people says he does that on purpose. I can’t believe any man wants to be caught live on national tv in tears.
The women sure seem to love Beck, so he’s doing something right. One of Frum’s main complaints about Rush is that he “alienates” women, so Beck should be his kind of guy. They like men that cry.
37 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 18, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Ted Kennedy’s anger never seemed to hurt him any. The guy was in the Senate for like 100 years.
Obama seems like an angry man to me. I don’t see the sweetness and light there.
38 Dblade // Oct 18, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Um, should someone who used Eugene Debs as a pen name be actually writing about coalition building, given that Debs founded the Wobblies, which was a hell of a lot more angrier than anything Rush or Beck could do? Considering that the Wobblies often espoused the overthrow of the employer class, and Debs himself couldn’t build a coalition for crap, I find it ironic. If anything, Debs himself is one of the best examples for anger not doing anything but marginalizing people as it was.
39 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 18, 2009 at 9:30 pm
It’s Orwellian to describe Rush as angry. He’s angry sometimes (who isn’t? ) but this isn’t some kind of permanent character trait of Rush. He’s a happy warrior, and he’s funny as hell. The people that accuse Rush of being angry are just trying to shooting spitballs at the greatest man of the past 100 years out of jealousy.
40 Arch // Oct 18, 2009 at 11:48 pm
“the greatest man of the past 100 years out of jealousy.”
I really suspect conservative-intellectual is Rush. Who else holds this opinion?
41 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 19, 2009 at 12:20 am
I suspect arc is Elton John. I suspect nobody will disagree with me .
42 Arch // Oct 19, 2009 at 12:33 am
Gay as an insult. Genius.
43 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 19, 2009 at 12:53 am
I don’t associate gayness with Elton John. He’s a talented musician.
44 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 19, 2009 at 12:55 am
This “columnist” says anger is no path to power but I think in most cases the opposite is true. Both the American and French Reovlutions were the result of anger among “the people” that lead to their power. The French Reovlution got hijacked by bloodthirty leftists, unfornately.
45 Raider1 // Oct 19, 2009 at 9:19 am
Rbottoms: You should be mad. But mad at your entire culture. You say that in 1965 you became full citizens with the Voting Rights Act. Okay. And what has the so-called Black Community done with this citizenship? You have let your illegitimate birth climb steadily higher and higher until now full 3 out of 4 of you are born to single mothers! That was by far the single most destructive (and it was SELF destructive) trend of any minority group in the history of this country and has left your people devastated and now wards of a state. And now the Democrats like you just where you are. Hopelessly depending on the government teat. You will NEVER recover from this mass birth of guideless, fatherless youths until you take some responsibility for your actions. 1965 was when the Welfare State kicked in and your illegitimacy rate was 25% (and even the Moyniham called it a disaster). Now? After 40 years of government handouts proffered by your ‘friends’ (LOL) on the left, you have become an addicted class to the drug of welfare that has left you as a permanant class of fatherless state wards…perfect picking for the exploiters from the “Reverand” (yeah right) Al and Jesse to the other profiteers of the grievance industry. You have been played for fools from white liberal democrats and so-called Black activists. And they both meet and shake hands at the bank teller’s line when they deposit their checks at the bank.
So be angry…but before you scream at the terrible state of your lot, hang up a mirror.
46 ottovbvs // Oct 19, 2009 at 10:40 am
conservative-intellectual // Oct 18, 2009 at 6:09 pm
“This site is irrelevant. That’s just a fact….not my problem if you don’t like it.”
……….Most blog sites are fairly irrelevant……but if you think this one is particularly so why do you spend so much time here? Self abuse?
47 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 19, 2009 at 11:43 am
I just got an account on this website, and I posted rather infrequently yesterday on here. I was posting on Fark and just flipped over and posted a few comments here, all while watching NFL games. I mulittask.
48 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 19, 2009 at 11:43 am
And Frum’s website is a failure. Alexa backs me up on this. He gets no traffic.
49 Starship Mechanic // Oct 19, 2009 at 2:52 pm
I logged on here just because I like seeing what people unlike myself are saying. Unfortunately, I got tangled up with “conservative-intellectual” (it’s a bad sign when someone compliments himself in his own username).
50 spikeytx86 // Oct 19, 2009 at 9:49 pm
“And Frum’s website is a failure. Alexa backs me up on this. He gets no traffic.”
LOL! And you spend all day posting juvenile smart ass comments on a site you profess is an obscure, irrelevant, failure.
Congratulations! You have no life!
51 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 19, 2009 at 10:37 pm
I have to laugh when some whiny loser tries to put me down when he uses the AOL chatroom language like LOL.
This site is irrelevant. Doesn’t matter if I post here all day, which isn’t exactly the case. I’m not trying to be relevant in the political world….Frum is.
52 Why is FNC the most watched cable news network? - Typology Central // Oct 21, 2009 at 3:46 pm
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