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		<title>By: Frum Forum&#8217;s David Frum: &#8220;American Manufacturing is Not in Decline&#8221; &#171; High Road Network</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frum Forum&#8217;s David Frum: &#8220;American Manufacturing is Not in Decline&#8221; &#171; High Road Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Posted by The Bridge in Uncategorized. Leave a Comment  Journalist David Frum helps dispel the myth that manufacturing is dead. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/american-manufacturing-is-not-in-decline/comment-page-1#comment-65680</link>
		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoy your bigotry, that is all you have to offer the South.

And we arent buying it.

It wont be long till the 2010 elections and then the 2012, and then we will tell, you, you lost the election, the people rejected you.   Sore loser, nan nah nan nah boo boo!

LOL!

But Im sure you will continue to cherish your anti Southern bigotry.

Maybe you should come up with a better selling point to convince Southerners to your way of thinking....rather than....you ignorant backwards arse uneducated bitter clinger racist hillbilly hicks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoy your bigotry, that is all you have to offer the South.</p>
<p>And we arent buying it.</p>
<p>It wont be long till the 2010 elections and then the 2012, and then we will tell, you, you lost the election, the people rejected you.   Sore loser, nan nah nan nah boo boo!</p>
<p>LOL!</p>
<p>But Im sure you will continue to cherish your anti Southern bigotry.</p>
<p>Maybe you should come up with a better selling point to convince Southerners to your way of thinking&#8230;.rather than&#8230;.you ignorant backwards arse uneducated bitter clinger racist hillbilly hicks!</p>
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		<title>By: Cforchange</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cforchange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Escape -  we lost the election because the majority voter percieved that the US is on the  wrong path.  It would appear to me that you are the broken record if you think it just McCain &amp; Palin lost the election and mass angst is good for the country.  The majority has declared time for a new approach.  I regret that we don&#039;t have GOP leadership but we as a nation must attempt to move forward.  

I must really hit your buttons because  beyond the rage, I can&#039;t find much logic in you remarks.

Move south, never.  Your underground water table will be too polluted from the north.  You&#039;ll run the risk of getting addicted to meth just by drinking it.   May sound crazy but I wouldn&#039;t risk it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Escape &#8211;  we lost the election because the majority voter percieved that the US is on the  wrong path.  It would appear to me that you are the broken record if you think it just McCain &amp; Palin lost the election and mass angst is good for the country.  The majority has declared time for a new approach.  I regret that we don&#8217;t have GOP leadership but we as a nation must attempt to move forward.  </p>
<p>I must really hit your buttons because  beyond the rage, I can&#8217;t find much logic in you remarks.</p>
<p>Move south, never.  Your underground water table will be too polluted from the north.  You&#8217;ll run the risk of getting addicted to meth just by drinking it.   May sound crazy but I wouldn&#8217;t risk it.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/american-manufacturing-is-not-in-decline/comment-page-1#comment-65657</link>
		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m not buying that the southern move is cheaper --- CforChange

Blind arrogance!


None of us can compete with China so now what do we do? --- CforChange

Those rat bastards in the South are killing us, so lets blame China!

LOL!   

The same was said of the Japanese....now they build cars in teh South.

You are like a broken record.   The North needs to come to grips with their lower standard of living in the future or move South.   This protectionist nationalization BS, combined with xenophobia and spite that other people are doing well, is downright ugly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not buying that the southern move is cheaper &#8212; CforChange</p>
<p>Blind arrogance!</p>
<p>None of us can compete with China so now what do we do? &#8212; CforChange</p>
<p>Those rat bastards in the South are killing us, so lets blame China!</p>
<p>LOL!   </p>
<p>The same was said of the Japanese&#8230;.now they build cars in teh South.</p>
<p>You are like a broken record.   The North needs to come to grips with their lower standard of living in the future or move South.   This protectionist nationalization BS, combined with xenophobia and spite that other people are doing well, is downright ugly!</p>
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		<title>By: Cforchange</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cforchange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sinz #17
So you say... Housing costs are MUCH cheaper. (Compare a 3 bedroom house in the Boston area to a 3 bedroom house in Mississippi.) Which means you can get by on a lower wage.

Hmm, let&#039;s change that to:   Housing costs are MUCH cheaper. (Compare a 3 bedroom house in the Boston area to a 3 bedroom house in Cleveland.) Which means you can get by on a lower wage.

And Again:  Housing costs are MUCH cheaper. (Compare a 3 bedroom house in the Boston area to a 3 bedroom house in Buffalo.) Which means you can get by on a lower wage.

and again:  Housing costs are MUCH cheaper. (Compare a 3 bedroom house in the Boston area to a 3 bedroom house in Detroit.) Which means you can get by on a lower wage.

one more time:  Housing costs are MUCH cheaper. (Compare a 3 bedroom house in the Boston area to a 3 bedroom house in Pittsburgh.) Which means you can get by on a lower wage.

Sorry, I&#039;m not buying that the southern move is cheaper.     Sinz you haven&#039;t even mentioned infastructure - new roads and sewage plants and more expensive water, higher utility bills. (Water bills are huge in the south.) No matter who pays - business or government, it&#039;s still a cost to do business.   Plus plenty of this development during the past 2 or 3 decades  has occurred is in crazy places subject to flooding, tornadoes and the effects of hurricaines.  This is reflected in much higher business insurance rates.  Adding up all business expenses including new facility construction,  it can&#039;t be cheaper to operate as newness in the South.  Most likely  it costs the same.  It&#039;s just a matter of who is profiting from the entire pie. Most likely it is  self interest, because I haven&#039;t experienced a decent return on my publically held stocks for quite some time. 

Maybe LABOR wages are less, that&#039;s the way of the south.  It&#039;s evolutionary that they pay anything.  

The north was established first because bsinesses used to locate where resources were located meaning  both skilled humans and product components.  Example - Steel was made in Pittsburgh because it has the purest seam of coal in the world available there.  Plus oil was 1st discovered in Titusville PA...  It wasn&#039;t a discriminating decision, the ingrediants were readily available.

None of us can compete with China so now  what do we do?  I&#039;m glad that the president is at least giving this important issue some attention - it was overlooked for the past 8.  Now we make nothing so midcon #14, what if we lose our skills(which we are) and we lose our ability to import.  There&#039;s a threat to national security, a mostly unskilled workforce - mouse clicking doesn&#039;t count as a skill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sinz #17<br />
So you say&#8230; Housing costs are MUCH cheaper. (Compare a 3 bedroom house in the Boston area to a 3 bedroom house in Mississippi.) Which means you can get by on a lower wage.</p>
<p>Hmm, let&#8217;s change that to:   Housing costs are MUCH cheaper. (Compare a 3 bedroom house in the Boston area to a 3 bedroom house in Cleveland.) Which means you can get by on a lower wage.</p>
<p>And Again:  Housing costs are MUCH cheaper. (Compare a 3 bedroom house in the Boston area to a 3 bedroom house in Buffalo.) Which means you can get by on a lower wage.</p>
<p>and again:  Housing costs are MUCH cheaper. (Compare a 3 bedroom house in the Boston area to a 3 bedroom house in Detroit.) Which means you can get by on a lower wage.</p>
<p>one more time:  Housing costs are MUCH cheaper. (Compare a 3 bedroom house in the Boston area to a 3 bedroom house in Pittsburgh.) Which means you can get by on a lower wage.</p>
<p>Sorry, I&#8217;m not buying that the southern move is cheaper.     Sinz you haven&#8217;t even mentioned infastructure &#8211; new roads and sewage plants and more expensive water, higher utility bills. (Water bills are huge in the south.) No matter who pays &#8211; business or government, it&#8217;s still a cost to do business.   Plus plenty of this development during the past 2 or 3 decades  has occurred is in crazy places subject to flooding, tornadoes and the effects of hurricaines.  This is reflected in much higher business insurance rates.  Adding up all business expenses including new facility construction,  it can&#8217;t be cheaper to operate as newness in the South.  Most likely  it costs the same.  It&#8217;s just a matter of who is profiting from the entire pie. Most likely it is  self interest, because I haven&#8217;t experienced a decent return on my publically held stocks for quite some time. </p>
<p>Maybe LABOR wages are less, that&#8217;s the way of the south.  It&#8217;s evolutionary that they pay anything.  </p>
<p>The north was established first because bsinesses used to locate where resources were located meaning  both skilled humans and product components.  Example &#8211; Steel was made in Pittsburgh because it has the purest seam of coal in the world available there.  Plus oil was 1st discovered in Titusville PA&#8230;  It wasn&#8217;t a discriminating decision, the ingrediants were readily available.</p>
<p>None of us can compete with China so now  what do we do?  I&#8217;m glad that the president is at least giving this important issue some attention &#8211; it was overlooked for the past 8.  Now we make nothing so midcon #14, what if we lose our skills(which we are) and we lose our ability to import.  There&#8217;s a threat to national security, a mostly unskilled workforce &#8211; mouse clicking doesn&#8217;t count as a skill.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
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		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its like a ghost town on this thread sinz.

Wonder why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its like a ghost town on this thread sinz.</p>
<p>Wonder why?</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/american-manufacturing-is-not-in-decline/comment-page-1#comment-65625</link>
		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want GM to survive, move it South.

Having Southern workers subsidize the high wages and benefits of Northerners is criminal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want GM to survive, move it South.</p>
<p>Having Southern workers subsidize the high wages and benefits of Northerners is criminal!</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>midcon:  &lt;blockquote&gt; How would you feel about M3: 12B Tobacco Manufacturing? Should it be in decline? If it is should we rescue from decline? Or how about M3:31A Iron and Steel Mills and Ferrous and Ferroalloy and Steel Products Manufacturing? Should we, shouldn’t we? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Leave it up to the marketplace to decide who wins and who loses. And the Government should NOT, repeat NOT, bail out the losers.

I don&#039;t believe in industrial policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>midcon:   How would you feel about M3: 12B Tobacco Manufacturing? Should it be in decline? If it is should we rescue from decline? Or how about M3:31A Iron and Steel Mills and Ferrous and Ferroalloy and Steel Products Manufacturing? Should we, shouldn’t we?<br />
Leave it up to the marketplace to decide who wins and who loses. And the Government should NOT, repeat NOT, bail out the losers.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe in industrial policies.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CforChange:  &lt;blockquote&gt; we would have to be fools to believe that it is simply cheaper to operate in the south. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course it&#039;s cheaper.

They have &quot;right to work&quot; states, which allow non-union factories.

Housing costs are MUCH cheaper.  (Compare a 3 bedroom house in the Boston area to a 3 bedroom house in Mississippi.)  Which means you can get by on a lower wage.

And so, labor costs are cheaper.  Japanese auto manufacturers operating in the South pay a lower wage than the Detroit auto makers do.  But since living costs are lower too, they have no trouble finding workers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CforChange:   we would have to be fools to believe that it is simply cheaper to operate in the south. </p>
<p>Of course it&#8217;s cheaper.</p>
<p>They have &#8220;right to work&#8221; states, which allow non-union factories.</p>
<p>Housing costs are MUCH cheaper.  (Compare a 3 bedroom house in the Boston area to a 3 bedroom house in Mississippi.)  Which means you can get by on a lower wage.</p>
<p>And so, labor costs are cheaper.  Japanese auto manufacturers operating in the South pay a lower wage than the Detroit auto makers do.  But since living costs are lower too, they have no trouble finding workers.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
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		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The American South was a backwater subsidiary to Northern industrial area for decades, and the North didnt give 2 shits about the lack of Southern industry and in fact prevented factories and industrial activity from moving down here with the cheaper yet highly skilled and abled labor/workforce.  

And now we should bail those bankrupt bastards out.

Screw THAT!  Let em enjoy the fruits of their greed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American South was a backwater subsidiary to Northern industrial area for decades, and the North didnt give 2 shits about the lack of Southern industry and in fact prevented factories and industrial activity from moving down here with the cheaper yet highly skilled and abled labor/workforce.  </p>
<p>And now we should bail those bankrupt bastards out.</p>
<p>Screw THAT!  Let em enjoy the fruits of their greed.</p>
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