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		<title>By: Joe In NH</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe In NH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the question of economics- can someone explain to me the difference between Democrats spending more to prime the pump etc. and Bush cutting taxes but not spending. The result is the same which is to say big deficits. Maybe Bush #2 was a Keynesian? It&#039;s hard to see a difference in the final result. 

Also, regarding Obama&#039;s history- community organizer then law school then a law firm before going into politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the question of economics- can someone explain to me the difference between Democrats spending more to prime the pump etc. and Bush cutting taxes but not spending. The result is the same which is to say big deficits. Maybe Bush #2 was a Keynesian? It&#8217;s hard to see a difference in the final result. </p>
<p>Also, regarding Obama&#8217;s history- community organizer then law school then a law firm before going into politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Intellectual</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/a-tale-of-two-races/comment-page-7#comment-68776</link>
		<dc:creator>Conservative Intellectual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said McCain was some genius.  I don&#039;t think he believes in much of anything...he just wanted to be president.  Obama is a leftist idealogue and by defaut he is either ignorant of economics, or he&#039;s willing to just disregard economics because it doesn&#039;t jive with his Marxist ideals. 

Anybody that thinks Obama was qualified to be president is admitting they are a fool.  The man had done nothing in his life.   He gets a degree in law but rather than practice law he goes community organize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said McCain was some genius.  I don&#8217;t think he believes in much of anything&#8230;he just wanted to be president.  Obama is a leftist idealogue and by defaut he is either ignorant of economics, or he&#8217;s willing to just disregard economics because it doesn&#8217;t jive with his Marxist ideals. </p>
<p>Anybody that thinks Obama was qualified to be president is admitting they are a fool.  The man had done nothing in his life.   He gets a degree in law but rather than practice law he goes community organize.</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Intellectual</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conservative Intellectual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see how you can argue the conservative base is ignorant of economics.

It&#039;s you leftwingers that think out of control spending, high taxation, price caps, waging the min. wage, are all good ideas.....this is a gross ignorance of economics.

Having a postgraduate degree means nothing....I&#039;d like to see what these Obama supporters received there postgraduate degrees in....what you major in matters more to me than the level of the degree.  A postgraduate degree in some bullshit major like poli sci is not impressive. 

The Democratic party is largely the party of the super rich and the super poor.  The poor are largely ignorant or they would not be poor....and the rich Democrats just feel guilty about their wealth so they champion the &quot;little guy&quot; rhetoric.  The rich Democrats don&#039;t care about high income taxation because they already have their wealth....if we were to start taxing wealth,  Democrats would become conservatives in a  skinny minute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how you can argue the conservative base is ignorant of economics.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s you leftwingers that think out of control spending, high taxation, price caps, waging the min. wage, are all good ideas&#8230;..this is a gross ignorance of economics.</p>
<p>Having a postgraduate degree means nothing&#8230;.I&#8217;d like to see what these Obama supporters received there postgraduate degrees in&#8230;.what you major in matters more to me than the level of the degree.  A postgraduate degree in some bullshit major like poli sci is not impressive. </p>
<p>The Democratic party is largely the party of the super rich and the super poor.  The poor are largely ignorant or they would not be poor&#8230;.and the rich Democrats just feel guilty about their wealth so they champion the &#8220;little guy&#8221; rhetoric.  The rich Democrats don&#8217;t care about high income taxation because they already have their wealth&#8230;.if we were to start taxing wealth,  Democrats would become conservatives in a  skinny minute.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>conservative-intellectual:  &lt;blockquote&gt; Intellectuals like me are surrounded by people that are little more than dumb animals. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Gee, and all this time conservatives have been claiming that the Obama administration is elitist.  What you wrote there is far more elitist than Obama&#039;s infamous &quot;clinging to guns&quot; gaffe.

conservative-intellectual: &lt;blockquote&gt;  I will never understand how anybody with any basic understanding of economics could vote for Obama. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I didn&#039;t vote for him, but I can give you a plausible argument:

We have a two party system.  We had just two candidates to choose from:  Obama and McCain.

And McCain admitted to his ignorance of economics.

In September 2008, the U.S. economy had fallen off a cliff.  This happened just a few months after the GOP primaries, in which all the major GOP candidates including McCain (except Paul and Huckabee) had said that the U.S. economy was in good shape.  

When the U.S. economy turned down, McCain&#039;s own economics adviser, Phil Gramm, said that the fundamentals remained strong and that all we had was a &quot;mental recession.&quot;  We found out later that Gramm, when he was Senator, had been instrumental in deregulating derivatives, which contributed to the 2008 economic debacle.

When the economy fell off a cliff, McCain suspended his campaign and flew back to Washington, where he accomplished virtually nothing--after which he resumed his campaign.

During the debates with Obama, all McCain could talk about was earmarks.  Which all Americans knew had virtually nothing to do with why the U.S. economy was on the verge of collapse.

All that virtually &lt;i&gt;DISQUALIFIED&lt;I&gt; McCain from leading the nation out of the worst economic crisis in 30 years.  That left us with only one other viable choice.

BTW, as the result of Gramm&#039;s &quot;mental recession,&quot; Warren Buffett, who is one of the world&#039;s sharpest and cautious investors, lost 50% of his own net worth.

I didn&#039;t vote for Obama, because I didn&#039;t see him as a war President.  And we were at war.  And that consideration superseded all else for me.  But I had no illusions about McCain&#039;s ability to manage the U.S. economy.  I could only hope he would get good advisers, maybe Romney, to do the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>conservative-intellectual:   Intellectuals like me are surrounded by people that are little more than dumb animals.<br />
Gee, and all this time conservatives have been claiming that the Obama administration is elitist.  What you wrote there is far more elitist than Obama&#8217;s infamous &#8220;clinging to guns&#8221; gaffe.</p>
<p>conservative-intellectual:   I will never understand how anybody with any basic understanding of economics could vote for Obama. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t vote for him, but I can give you a plausible argument:</p>
<p>We have a two party system.  We had just two candidates to choose from:  Obama and McCain.</p>
<p>And McCain admitted to his ignorance of economics.</p>
<p>In September 2008, the U.S. economy had fallen off a cliff.  This happened just a few months after the GOP primaries, in which all the major GOP candidates including McCain (except Paul and Huckabee) had said that the U.S. economy was in good shape.  </p>
<p>When the U.S. economy turned down, McCain&#8217;s own economics adviser, Phil Gramm, said that the fundamentals remained strong and that all we had was a &#8220;mental recession.&#8221;  We found out later that Gramm, when he was Senator, had been instrumental in deregulating derivatives, which contributed to the 2008 economic debacle.</p>
<p>When the economy fell off a cliff, McCain suspended his campaign and flew back to Washington, where he accomplished virtually nothing&#8211;after which he resumed his campaign.</p>
<p>During the debates with Obama, all McCain could talk about was earmarks.  Which all Americans knew had virtually nothing to do with why the U.S. economy was on the verge of collapse.</p>
<p>All that virtually DISQUALIFIED McCain from leading the nation out of the worst economic crisis in 30 years.  That left us with only one other viable choice.</p>
<p>BTW, as the result of Gramm&#8217;s &#8220;mental recession,&#8221; Warren Buffett, who is one of the world&#8217;s sharpest and cautious investors, lost 50% of his own net worth.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t vote for Obama, because I didn&#8217;t see him as a war President.  And we were at war.  And that consideration superseded all else for me.  But I had no illusions about McCain&#8217;s ability to manage the U.S. economy.  I could only hope he would get good advisers, maybe Romney, to do the job.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>conservative-intellectual: &lt;blockquote&gt; if we agree that most poor people are ignorant fools, we must also agree that Democrats are largely the party of the ignorant. Just because you got some rich lawyers and hollywood bimbos on board &lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don&#039;t agree with any of this.

First, ignorance is hardly limited to the poor.  Much of the GOP base is middle class, but their ignorance of science and modern economics is stunning.

Secondly, in 2008, most of Silicon Valley&#039;s entrepreneurs backed Obama enthusiastically.  The CEO of Google, for example.

Finally, exit polls showed that Obama won the votes of voters with postgraduate degrees by 18 points over McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>conservative-intellectual:  if we agree that most poor people are ignorant fools, we must also agree that Democrats are largely the party of the ignorant. Just because you got some rich lawyers and hollywood bimbos on board<br />
I don&#8217;t agree with any of this.</p>
<p>First, ignorance is hardly limited to the poor.  Much of the GOP base is middle class, but their ignorance of science and modern economics is stunning.</p>
<p>Secondly, in 2008, most of Silicon Valley&#8217;s entrepreneurs backed Obama enthusiastically.  The CEO of Google, for example.</p>
<p>Finally, exit polls showed that Obama won the votes of voters with postgraduate degrees by 18 points over McCain.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KL7212: &lt;blockquote&gt; For nearly 20 years, Congressman Wayne Gilchrist, a decorated Vietnam veteran and a moderate Republican, who voted the “conservative” line in Congress 60-70% of the time, was targeted by the CFG in 2008 Republican Primary and was defeated by a Club backed true believer, Andy Harris. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Right now, over on Redstate.com, they are saying that they would actually &lt;i&gt;prefer&lt;/i&gt; to see the Dem, Owens, win in NY-23 rather than allow a moderate Repub, Dede Scozzafava, win the seat.  They say that having moderate Republicans would &quot;muddy&quot; the GOP message.

I remember how hard Jacob Javits, a &lt;i&gt;liberal&lt;/i&gt; Republican senator from NY (yes, the GOP used to have some actual liberals) worked to support Ronald Reagan for President in 1980.  Back then, Reagan&#039;s supporters never accused Javits of &quot;muddying&quot; their message.

In a two-party system, ideological purity is the road to being a minority party.  Because all those who don&#039;t agree with the purist stance will go to the other party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KL7212:  For nearly 20 years, Congressman Wayne Gilchrist, a decorated Vietnam veteran and a moderate Republican, who voted the “conservative” line in Congress 60-70% of the time, was targeted by the CFG in 2008 Republican Primary and was defeated by a Club backed true believer, Andy Harris.<br />
Right now, over on Redstate.com, they are saying that they would actually prefer to see the Dem, Owens, win in NY-23 rather than allow a moderate Repub, Dede Scozzafava, win the seat.  They say that having moderate Republicans would &#8220;muddy&#8221; the GOP message.</p>
<p>I remember how hard Jacob Javits, a liberal Republican senator from NY (yes, the GOP used to have some actual liberals) worked to support Ronald Reagan for President in 1980.  Back then, Reagan&#8217;s supporters never accused Javits of &#8220;muddying&#8221; their message.</p>
<p>In a two-party system, ideological purity is the road to being a minority party.  Because all those who don&#8217;t agree with the purist stance will go to the other party.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oneon1isto:  &lt;blockquote&gt; It’s come a long way, and now works to determine a more whole index of the body so that the nutritionist can make the proper “prescription”. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yep.

I have kidney disease.  Nutritional therapy is now considered a standard part of the treatment for kidney disease.  And my nutritionist has &lt;i&gt;prescribed&lt;/i&gt; specific nutrients to treat specific aspects of my kidney disease:  Fish oil, L-carnitine, selenium, calcium, and N-acetylcysteine, are what I take routinely.  (You can google for those to see just why they&#039;re important for kidney disease.)  My nephrologist knows all about this--and he thoroughly approves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oneon1isto:   It’s come a long way, and now works to determine a more whole index of the body so that the nutritionist can make the proper “prescription”.<br />
Yep.</p>
<p>I have kidney disease.  Nutritional therapy is now considered a standard part of the treatment for kidney disease.  And my nutritionist has prescribed specific nutrients to treat specific aspects of my kidney disease:  Fish oil, L-carnitine, selenium, calcium, and N-acetylcysteine, are what I take routinely.  (You can google for those to see just why they&#8217;re important for kidney disease.)  My nephrologist knows all about this&#8211;and he thoroughly approves.</p>
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		<title>By: KL7212</title>
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		<dc:creator>KL7212</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 03:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bottom line: Half a loaf (or two-thirds of one for the that matter) is better than no loaf at all. 

Conservative Republicans don&#039;t win in the Northeast because they&#039;re out of step with the population in the region. 

The contemporary Republican Party has morphed into a mirror image of the 1980&#039;s Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bottom line: Half a loaf (or two-thirds of one for the that matter) is better than no loaf at all. </p>
<p>Conservative Republicans don&#8217;t win in the Northeast because they&#8217;re out of step with the population in the region. </p>
<p>The contemporary Republican Party has morphed into a mirror image of the 1980&#8217;s Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: KL7212</title>
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		<dc:creator>KL7212</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 03:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;The “base” of the GOP has determined itself to be superior party members, in fact candidates must appeal to all their needs in order to represent the entire party. As we’ve experienced, we lose elections or must tolerate inept choices that have been made all because some if not the best candidates are precluded from representing the GOP.

A good example of this kind of thinking is the so-called Club For Growth. The only thing these knuckleheads are growing is the number of Democrats in the Legislative Branch. Doctrinaire conservative nitwits in the CFG have decimated the ranks of moderate Republicans in the Northeast over the last decade. We need only look to what happened in Maryland Congressional District 1 last year. 

For nearly 20 years, Congressman Wayne Gilchrist, a decorated Vietnam veteran and a moderate Republican, who voted the &quot;conservative&quot; line in Congress 60-70% of the time, was targeted by the CFG in 2008 Republican Primary and was defeated by a Club backed true believer, Andy Harris. 

Harris, an inept yo-yo, managed to lose a close election to Democrat Frank Kratovil in a district which John McCain won by double digits. 

What was the problem? 

Although, Maryland 1 is one of the most Republican districts in the Northeast, Harris LOST THE RACE and put a district which Rep. Gilchrist had won by a 2-to-1 margin in 2006, a huge Democratic year, into Democratic hands.

Why did Harris lose? Well, apart from being a jackass, he lost because HE WAS TOO CONSERVATIVE for the Northeastern district which Gilchrist had capably and competently served for 8 terms. 

Don&#039;t you guys get it? Once Republican seats like New York Congressional District 23 are gone, THEY&#039;RE GONE FOR GOOD. The Congressional Delegation of New York, a state which once  produced Republican stalwarts like Teddy Roosevelt and Thomas Dewey, is now almost entirely Democratic.  It&#039;s only a matter of time before the Democrats control every single Congressional seat in the Empire State.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;The “base” of the GOP has determined itself to be superior party members, in fact candidates must appeal to all their needs in order to represent the entire party. As we’ve experienced, we lose elections or must tolerate inept choices that have been made all because some if not the best candidates are precluded from representing the GOP.</p>
<p>A good example of this kind of thinking is the so-called Club For Growth. The only thing these knuckleheads are growing is the number of Democrats in the Legislative Branch. Doctrinaire conservative nitwits in the CFG have decimated the ranks of moderate Republicans in the Northeast over the last decade. We need only look to what happened in Maryland Congressional District 1 last year. </p>
<p>For nearly 20 years, Congressman Wayne Gilchrist, a decorated Vietnam veteran and a moderate Republican, who voted the &#8220;conservative&#8221; line in Congress 60-70% of the time, was targeted by the CFG in 2008 Republican Primary and was defeated by a Club backed true believer, Andy Harris. </p>
<p>Harris, an inept yo-yo, managed to lose a close election to Democrat Frank Kratovil in a district which John McCain won by double digits. </p>
<p>What was the problem? </p>
<p>Although, Maryland 1 is one of the most Republican districts in the Northeast, Harris LOST THE RACE and put a district which Rep. Gilchrist had won by a 2-to-1 margin in 2006, a huge Democratic year, into Democratic hands.</p>
<p>Why did Harris lose? Well, apart from being a jackass, he lost because HE WAS TOO CONSERVATIVE for the Northeastern district which Gilchrist had capably and competently served for 8 terms. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you guys get it? Once Republican seats like New York Congressional District 23 are gone, THEY&#8217;RE GONE FOR GOOD. The Congressional Delegation of New York, a state which once  produced Republican stalwarts like Teddy Roosevelt and Thomas Dewey, is now almost entirely Democratic.  It&#8217;s only a matter of time before the Democrats control every single Congressional seat in the Empire State.</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Intellectual</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conservative Intellectual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 02:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical right wing slander…. poor people are poor because they want to poor, right? Typical El Rushbo smear

It&#039;s laughable that a leftwinger would accusing Rush of smears after they spent the last week making up quotes about slavery that he never said.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical right wing slander…. poor people are poor because they want to poor, right? Typical El Rushbo smear</p>
<p>It&#8217;s laughable that a leftwinger would accusing Rush of smears after they spent the last week making up quotes about slavery that he never said.  <img src='http://www.frumforum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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