Comments on: A Republican Majority Must be Conservative

By: sinz54

sinz54 — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:01:27 +0000

barker13: I most certainly NOT consider Gingrich and Rove to be part of what somebody else called the “ugly part” of the GOP.

But Gingrich and Rove were not averse to using that part of the GOP to help win elections–even if it meant compromising some of the GOP’s earlier liberty-oriented positions.

By: barker13

barker13 — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:36:06 +0000

Re: Sinz54; 6/19/2009 6:07 AM --

"I don't remember those questions anymore!!!"

Have you lost the ability to scroll down the page...???

I mean, Sinz, how many times do I have to direct you to the exact spot where you'll find the questions...???

One more time... scroll down to barker13; 6/17/2009 2:12 PM.

Re: Sinz54; 6/19/2009 6:05 AM --

Two points, Sinz: 1) "...self described..." (*SNORT*); 2) "...some 80%..." What's that leave, Sinz... some 20%... right...???

(*CHUCKLE*)

BILL

By: sinz54

sinz54 — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:03:06 +0000

WillyP: Two questions for you:

1. What percentage of your New York Young Republican club consists of blacks and Hispanics?

2. When your speakers have spoken to other young people about environmental issues, what was the response?

By: WillyP

WillyP — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:49:35 +0000

Young Republicans are not intimately tied to any pro-life organizations. I don’t know where you get this from, but from all I’ve known it’s untrue. I must be one of the few pro-life YRs in my club, and it’s the largest in the country (nyyrc.com).

John McCain was the author of a political censorship bill, a nearly disasterous immigration bill that was stopped only because of vocal talk radio hosts and listeners, and a supporter of cap and trade. These 3 transgressions are egregious violations to free speech, free enterprise, and national sovereignty respectively. Conservatives see them for what they are.

By: Cforchange

Cforchange — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:03:11 +0000

Sinz – my point exactly re the party feel then “It would require a titanic effort comparable to either World War to require that to happen.”
Titanic means big, means lots of people – that’s what I’m talking. There’s lots of people that need to get in the game.
Digest this number – all most 1/3 of my very middle America high school has failed their 1st year of high school. They are migrating to an easier welcoming “Alternative Lifestyle” you know, under the radar never to pay taxes. These are white males – the infection from urban to surburban has occurred. It is time for intervention or we will be very sorry.

By: sinz54

sinz54 — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:19:32 +0000

Cforchange: The more libertarian message that conservatives had in the late 1970s was more appealing to young Americans than today’s socially conservative message.

Back then, Republicans offered a vision of entrepreneurship, start-up companies, reduced government red tape, abundant energy, and an America with a bright economic future. What’s happened to that kind of vision? Why have conservatives gone back to being America’s moral scolds, like they were in the 1950s and before?

By: sinz54

sinz54 — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:15:21 +0000

midcon: The number of units procured by our modern all-volunteer army is so small that our shrunken manufacturing base is perfectly adequate. Our civilian manufacturing base hasn't had to be converted to military use since World War II.

Our MRAPs are produced not by the auto makers, but by a small company, Force Protection Inc.

Boeing and Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, which show no signs of major financial difficulty, produce all the planes and missiles that we need. Northrop-Grumman-Newport News builds our ships.

Of course we need a defense manufacturing base. But these companies aren't the ones verging on bankruptcy right now. And the failure of the U.S. auto industry doesn't impact them.

We haven't needed to convert much *civilian* manufacturing to military procurement in many years. It would require a titanic effort comparable to either World War to require that to happen.

By: Cforchange

Cforchange — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:13:50 +0000

Midcon I’m repeating my message because I think it’s the key and obviously those on the crusade are not capable of identifying the weakness.
Average (majority) voters aren’t concerned with ideology. They want to succeed and for some reason – it has been too difficult to do so. This has nothing to do with Iraq and Iraq spending – the problem was there before the start of the war. There is somthing fundamentally wrong or unbalanced preventing prosperity unless you participate in the scam of the moment. The party that encourages and simplifies this path will dominate. That’s what the GOP prevailing message represented when I signed on.

Balcon – from what I know about the Young Republican efforts -tied very closely if not one and the same to the pro life movement. That goes back to my orignal statement that college years, self exploration and an anti anything message do not mix. The numbers speak for the results and that we will live with for at least a decade.

By: sinz54

sinz54 — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:07:04 +0000

barker13 asks: 'why not just answer the simple and direct clarification questions I posed in my 2:12 PM post?"

Because I don't remember those questions anymore!!!

If I remembered them, I would answer them.
If you jog my memory and repeat your questions, I will answer them.

By: sinz54

sinz54 — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:05:19 +0000

WillyP sez: "But Mr. McCain was no movement conservative, never fired up the base"

This urban myth has been exploded by the 2008 exit polls, which showed that some 80% of self-described conservatives voted for McCain.

The election was lost by a massive defection of moderate and swing and Independent voters.

If the GOP is to make any forward progress at all, it's going to have to start by facing FACTS, not fantasies. The notion that the 2008 election was lost due to the base being disaffected is FALSE, just FALSE.