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		<title>By: SpartacusIsNotDead</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/a-constitution-written-in-blood/comment-page-5#comment-65279</link>
		<dc:creator>SpartacusIsNotDead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 01:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sinz54 wrote:   &quot;There’s nothing about a right to racially balanced public schools in the U.S. Constitution.&quot;

Of course there isn&#039;t, and you&#039;ve just chosen yet another straw man.  The U.S. constitutional rights that are at issue are (1) the right to vote, (2) the right not to be discriminated against in school or commerce on the basis of race, (3) the right not to live wherever you can afford irrespective of your race, (4) the right to marry the person of your choice, and (5) all the other rights that conservatives attempted to deny people because of the color of their skin.

Are you really this stupid or are you just morally bankrupt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sinz54 wrote:   &#8220;There’s nothing about a right to racially balanced public schools in the U.S. Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course there isn&#8217;t, and you&#8217;ve just chosen yet another straw man.  The U.S. constitutional rights that are at issue are (1) the right to vote, (2) the right not to be discriminated against in school or commerce on the basis of race, (3) the right not to live wherever you can afford irrespective of your race, (4) the right to marry the person of your choice, and (5) all the other rights that conservatives attempted to deny people because of the color of their skin.</p>
<p>Are you really this stupid or are you just morally bankrupt?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, Sinz, we could all agree to draw a line under the past, say, &quot;mistakes were made by all sides&quot; and try to move forward together to build a better America.  That was Reagan&#039;s ideology, and it worked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, Sinz, we could all agree to draw a line under the past, say, &#8220;mistakes were made by all sides&#8221; and try to move forward together to build a better America.  That was Reagan&#8217;s ideology, and it worked.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agentprovocateur:  &lt;blockquote&gt; I’m sure that telling black people that most of them are stupid and/or addicts is a wonderful part of a winning strategy to drive them into the Republican fold. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
That&#039;s not what he meant, and you know it.

It meant it metaphorically:  That liberals hand out government largesse to black people to make them dependent on handouts and favors, much as a pusher hands out samples of heroin to get folks hooked on it.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s deliberate.

But I sure got to see it firsthand.
I grew up in a poor neighborhood in which a lot of our neighbors were on welfare.  We were friends with some of them, and we would offer to try to help them get jobs.  They said why bother.

Most 9-to-5 jobs aren&#039;t fun.  And if someone offers you a welfare check that&#039;s maybe 70% of what you could earn as a short-order cook getting the minimum wage, you might decide it&#039;s not worth the extra few bucks to knock yourself out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agentprovocateur:<br />
<blockquote> I’m sure that telling black people that most of them are stupid and/or addicts is a wonderful part of a winning strategy to drive them into the Republican fold. </p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s not what he meant, and you know it.</p>
<p>It meant it metaphorically:  That liberals hand out government largesse to black people to make them dependent on handouts and favors, much as a pusher hands out samples of heroin to get folks hooked on it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s deliberate.</p>
<p>But I sure got to see it firsthand.<br />
I grew up in a poor neighborhood in which a lot of our neighbors were on welfare.  We were friends with some of them, and we would offer to try to help them get jobs.  They said why bother.</p>
<p>Most 9-to-5 jobs aren&#8217;t fun.  And if someone offers you a welfare check that&#8217;s maybe 70% of what you could earn as a short-order cook getting the minimum wage, you might decide it&#8217;s not worth the extra few bucks to knock yourself out.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>raider1: &lt;blockquote&gt; We need to consider how to take back this country from the leftists who have overrun it today without appearing to be a smal group of disgrunteld Southern White men (which the press lables us falsely) but rather people whom I believe share the same sentiments as most Americans regardless of color. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
To make common ground with us Northerners,

You really have to get over your bitterness and your own personal interpretation of the Civil War.

History has made its judgment.
And it doesn&#039;t agree with you.

I believe &quot;escapevelocity&quot; and I would agree on lots of foreign policy issues, energy issues, and on the domestic issues of government spending and ensuring civil order.

But I&#039;m proud of the fact that in the Civil War, the right side won.

However much defenders of the South try to rationalize it, the fact is they were trying to preserve an economy in which human beings--equal to themselves--were being treated as chattel.  And this society was based on a scientifically wrong theory that a human being who had more melanin in his skin was inferior to white-skinned humans in many ways.

It had to end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>raider1:<br />
<blockquote> We need to consider how to take back this country from the leftists who have overrun it today without appearing to be a smal group of disgrunteld Southern White men (which the press lables us falsely) but rather people whom I believe share the same sentiments as most Americans regardless of color. </p></blockquote>
<p>To make common ground with us Northerners,</p>
<p>You really have to get over your bitterness and your own personal interpretation of the Civil War.</p>
<p>History has made its judgment.<br />
And it doesn&#8217;t agree with you.</p>
<p>I believe &#8220;escapevelocity&#8221; and I would agree on lots of foreign policy issues, energy issues, and on the domestic issues of government spending and ensuring civil order.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m proud of the fact that in the Civil War, the right side won.</p>
<p>However much defenders of the South try to rationalize it, the fact is they were trying to preserve an economy in which human beings&#8211;equal to themselves&#8211;were being treated as chattel.  And this society was based on a scientifically wrong theory that a human being who had more melanin in his skin was inferior to white-skinned humans in many ways.</p>
<p>It had to end.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>balconesfault:

Here are some more recent poll numbers (from Gallup) than the ones you cited:


March 26, 2009
Fewer See U.S. Spending Too Much on Defense
Currently, 31% of Americans think the U.S. government is spending too much for national defense and military purposes, down 13 percentage points from last February....


September 15, 2009
Americans: Uncle Sam Wastes 50 Cents on the Dollar
Figures are 42 cents for state governments; 37 cents for local
by Lydia Saad

PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans are markedly cynical about the amount of waste in federal spending, more so than at several other times in recent history. On average, Americans believe 50 cents of every tax dollar that goes to the government in Washington, D.C., today are wasted. That&#039;s an increase from 46 cents per dollar in 2001.

You can get more of the details from their website.

As both Gallup and Rasmussen have noted, having a doctrinaire liberal in the White House who&#039;s obsessed with bringing major &quot;change&quot; tends to make people &quot;remember&quot; why things aren&#039;t so bad that we need all that much &quot;change.&quot;

You know the old saying:  Better the devil you know, than the devil you don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>balconesfault:</p>
<p>Here are some more recent poll numbers (from Gallup) than the ones you cited:</p>
<p>March 26, 2009<br />
Fewer See U.S. Spending Too Much on Defense<br />
Currently, 31% of Americans think the U.S. government is spending too much for national defense and military purposes, down 13 percentage points from last February&#8230;.</p>
<p>September 15, 2009<br />
Americans: Uncle Sam Wastes 50 Cents on the Dollar<br />
Figures are 42 cents for state governments; 37 cents for local<br />
by Lydia Saad</p>
<p>PRINCETON, NJ &#8212; Americans are markedly cynical about the amount of waste in federal spending, more so than at several other times in recent history. On average, Americans believe 50 cents of every tax dollar that goes to the government in Washington, D.C., today are wasted. That&#8217;s an increase from 46 cents per dollar in 2001.</p>
<p>You can get more of the details from their website.</p>
<p>As both Gallup and Rasmussen have noted, having a doctrinaire liberal in the White House who&#8217;s obsessed with bringing major &#8220;change&#8221; tends to make people &#8220;remember&#8221; why things aren&#8217;t so bad that we need all that much &#8220;change.&#8221;</p>
<p>You know the old saying:  Better the devil you know, than the devil you don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>raider1: &lt;blockquote&gt; But that economy was only viable so long as labor was FREE. A plantation could not function if it had to pay a wage. It was a broken business model artifically supported on (literally) the backs of millions of oppressed Africans. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yep.

BTW, note the similarity to how agribusiness, and the &quot;housekeeping and food service industries&quot; (cf. Peter Venkman) depend on illegal immigrant labor today, men and women imported from Latin America to work in the shadows at wages below the minimum wage, and often in terrible conditions.

That too is a broken business model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>raider1:<br />
<blockquote> But that economy was only viable so long as labor was FREE. A plantation could not function if it had to pay a wage. It was a broken business model artifically supported on (literally) the backs of millions of oppressed Africans. </p></blockquote>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p>BTW, note the similarity to how agribusiness, and the &#8220;housekeeping and food service industries&#8221; (cf. Peter Venkman) depend on illegal immigrant labor today, men and women imported from Latin America to work in the shadows at wages below the minimum wage, and often in terrible conditions.</p>
<p>That too is a broken business model.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/a-constitution-written-in-blood/comment-page-5#comment-65245</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>escapevelocity: &lt;blockquote&gt; This was about the political and economic subjugation of the South (and the rest of the Nation) to the Northern Industrialists via control of the Federal Government. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
That&#039;s absurd.

Without slavery, on what POSSIBLE basis would the South have seceded from the Union?

And if they didn&#039;t secede, on what POSSIBLE basis could any American president (Stephen Douglas probably) have asked Congress to declare war on half of the nation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>escapevelocity:<br />
<blockquote> This was about the political and economic subjugation of the South (and the rest of the Nation) to the Northern Industrialists via control of the Federal Government. </p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s absurd.</p>
<p>Without slavery, on what POSSIBLE basis would the South have seceded from the Union?</p>
<p>And if they didn&#8217;t secede, on what POSSIBLE basis could any American president (Stephen Douglas probably) have asked Congress to declare war on half of the nation?</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>spartacusisnotdead: &lt;blockquote&gt; All of the rights that blacks were attempting to vindicate were rights that were enshrined in the U.S. constitution &lt;/blockquote&gt;
There&#039;s nothing about a right to racially balanced public schools in the U.S. Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spartacusisnotdead:<br />
<blockquote> All of the rights that blacks were attempting to vindicate were rights that were enshrined in the U.S. constitution </p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing about a right to racially balanced public schools in the U.S. Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Raider1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raider1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 16:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sparta:

1) &quot;Cuting military&quot;  I should have said &quot;cutting military in favor of increasing spending on domestic programs...&quot;  which is what we are talking about and I am too.  No one denies there is waste at the Pentagon.   that was a misquided opinion on my part.  So, I would like to see data on how many AMericans support cutting the military in favor increasing domestic spending.  

2) Until the GOP Bush tax cuts the majority of AMericans ore-2003 felt they all paid to much in taxes.  He threw out a different issue.  I would like to see what % of Americans (all of them) would like to see THEIR taxes raised.  Everyone wants everyone else to pay more.  But that is not what I am talking about becasue only a fool or blind Obama ideolgue would deny the eventuality of ALL of us paying more. Campaign promises aside.

And I think all Americans (myself included) would love to see a plan that coveres everyone while costing nothing more to the government or themselves personally.  But the polls obviously show that AMericans believe that government cannot get it done.  Thus only the eft shows a faith in government that belies reality.     

As for my national security claims.  Well, he didn&#039;t address that at all did he?  Just claimed that it was my opinion.  

So in essence what he did was set up several straw men and &quot;obliterate&quot; them handily.  Too bad his data points do not address my claims directly (one of which I admit was worded poorly).

As for Agent...I never claimed that should be GOP policy to say such things.  But it is a legitimate observation  nonetheless.   I don&#039;t recall using the word  &quot;stupid&quot; Sorry.  But many lower income people of whom many are Black ARE &quot;addicted&quot; to government largess.   At their own peril. The truth hurts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sparta:</p>
<p>1) &#8220;Cuting military&#8221;  I should have said &#8220;cutting military in favor of increasing spending on domestic programs&#8230;&#8221;  which is what we are talking about and I am too.  No one denies there is waste at the Pentagon.   that was a misquided opinion on my part.  So, I would like to see data on how many AMericans support cutting the military in favor increasing domestic spending.  </p>
<p>2) Until the GOP Bush tax cuts the majority of AMericans ore-2003 felt they all paid to much in taxes.  He threw out a different issue.  I would like to see what % of Americans (all of them) would like to see THEIR taxes raised.  Everyone wants everyone else to pay more.  But that is not what I am talking about becasue only a fool or blind Obama ideolgue would deny the eventuality of ALL of us paying more. Campaign promises aside.</p>
<p>And I think all Americans (myself included) would love to see a plan that coveres everyone while costing nothing more to the government or themselves personally.  But the polls obviously show that AMericans believe that government cannot get it done.  Thus only the eft shows a faith in government that belies reality.     </p>
<p>As for my national security claims.  Well, he didn&#8217;t address that at all did he?  Just claimed that it was my opinion.  </p>
<p>So in essence what he did was set up several straw men and &#8220;obliterate&#8221; them handily.  Too bad his data points do not address my claims directly (one of which I admit was worded poorly).</p>
<p>As for Agent&#8230;I never claimed that should be GOP policy to say such things.  But it is a legitimate observation  nonetheless.   I don&#8217;t recall using the word  &#8220;stupid&#8221; Sorry.  But many lower income people of whom many are Black ARE &#8220;addicted&#8221; to government largess.   At their own peril. The truth hurts.</p>
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		<title>By: agentprovocateur</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 06:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;That Black vote overwhelming Democrat today is rediculous. It’s like voting for a dealer to keep supplying you the drugs that are destroying you in mind body and spirit! In this case, as Schaefer says, “government largess.”&lt;/b&gt;

I&#039;m sure that telling black people that most of them are stupid and/or addicts is a wonderful part of a winning strategy to drive them into the Republican fold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>That Black vote overwhelming Democrat today is rediculous. It’s like voting for a dealer to keep supplying you the drugs that are destroying you in mind body and spirit! In this case, as Schaefer says, “government largess.”</b></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that telling black people that most of them are stupid and/or addicts is a wonderful part of a winning strategy to drive them into the Republican fold.</p>
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