<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: 9/11 Trials: A World Stage for Jihad?</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.frumforum.com/911-trials-a-world-stage-for-jihad/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.frumforum.com/911-trials-a-world-stage-for-jihad</link>
	<description>Building a conservatism that can win again</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:50:44 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: jreb</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/911-trials-a-world-stage-for-jihad/comment-page-1#comment-72571</link>
		<dc:creator>jreb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frumforum.com/?p=15958#comment-72571</guid>
		<description>The question that we need to ask ourselves is what is the purpose of trying these individuals. Is this a trial to seek justice for the cold blooded premeditated murder of 3,000 innocent men, women and children and a like number of our military brethren?
If the answer is yes, then why should a military tribunal in process be interrupted to be superseded by a criminal trial seeking the same purpose? In either a military or criminal trial, the accused are granted basically the same civil rights. The disadvantages of a criminal trial are that we are allowing the defendants to turn the trial into a media circus, establish a platform to espouse their sick hatred and ideology, potentially expose our intelligence sources and methods, allow an opportunity for political opponents to express their philosophies and allow any juror to express their ideological views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question that we need to ask ourselves is what is the purpose of trying these individuals. Is this a trial to seek justice for the cold blooded premeditated murder of 3,000 innocent men, women and children and a like number of our military brethren?<br />
If the answer is yes, then why should a military tribunal in process be interrupted to be superseded by a criminal trial seeking the same purpose? In either a military or criminal trial, the accused are granted basically the same civil rights. The disadvantages of a criminal trial are that we are allowing the defendants to turn the trial into a media circus, establish a platform to espouse their sick hatred and ideology, potentially expose our intelligence sources and methods, allow an opportunity for political opponents to express their philosophies and allow any juror to express their ideological views.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: johnmarzan</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/911-trials-a-world-stage-for-jihad/comment-page-1#comment-72456</link>
		<dc:creator>johnmarzan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frumforum.com/?p=15958#comment-72456</guid>
		<description>he&#039;s more worked up over the rubio crist thing than this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he&#8217;s more worked up over the rubio crist thing than this.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: johnmarzan</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/911-trials-a-world-stage-for-jihad/comment-page-1#comment-72455</link>
		<dc:creator>johnmarzan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frumforum.com/?p=15958#comment-72455</guid>
		<description>you know what&#039;s missing from all of this? david frum. he&#039;s awfully quiet re this. maybe he supports trying KSM in a civilian court? i don&#039;t know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know what&#8217;s missing from all of this? david frum. he&#8217;s awfully quiet re this. maybe he supports trying KSM in a civilian court? i don&#8217;t know&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Reality Chick</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/911-trials-a-world-stage-for-jihad/comment-page-1#comment-72445</link>
		<dc:creator>Reality Chick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frumforum.com/?p=15958#comment-72445</guid>
		<description>&quot;the act was conceived in a foreign land by foreign nationals who trained on foreign soil and were captured in a foreign country&quot;
...AND SO WHY ARE WE GIVING THE TERRORISTS AND THEIR DEFEENSE LAWYERS ANY OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A MEDIA CIRCUS IN THE HEART OF THE US? 
DOES THIS SEEM LIKE A  REASONABLE BURDEN FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE AREA WHERE (ANY NON MILITARTY) A TRIAL TAKES PLACE?  
“the Constitution does not distinguish between an American and a foreigner.  In either venue, the terrorists must be afforded constitutional protections.”
AS MUCH AS I ADMIRE MR. MARQUISE AS A PERSON AS WELL AS  HIS EXPERIENCE, HIS WRITING AND HIS KNOWLEDGE, I CANNOT AGREE THAT WAR MONGERING,  NON US CITIZENS SHOULD BE AFFORDED THE PRIVILIDGE OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS. EITHER FOR MORAL REASONS OR AT TAXPAYER COST.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the act was conceived in a foreign land by foreign nationals who trained on foreign soil and were captured in a foreign country&#8221;<br />
&#8230;AND SO WHY ARE WE GIVING THE TERRORISTS AND THEIR DEFEENSE LAWYERS ANY OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A MEDIA CIRCUS IN THE HEART OF THE US?<br />
DOES THIS SEEM LIKE A  REASONABLE BURDEN FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE AREA WHERE (ANY NON MILITARTY) A TRIAL TAKES PLACE?<br />
“the Constitution does not distinguish between an American and a foreigner.  In either venue, the terrorists must be afforded constitutional protections.”<br />
AS MUCH AS I ADMIRE MR. MARQUISE AS A PERSON AS WELL AS  HIS EXPERIENCE, HIS WRITING AND HIS KNOWLEDGE, I CANNOT AGREE THAT WAR MONGERING,  NON US CITIZENS SHOULD BE AFFORDED THE PRIVILIDGE OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS. EITHER FOR MORAL REASONS OR AT TAXPAYER COST.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/911-trials-a-world-stage-for-jihad/comment-page-1#comment-72444</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frumforum.com/?p=15958#comment-72444</guid>
		<description>teabag: &lt;blockquote&gt; To treat these criminals as honorable combatants is to elevate them to a level they do not deserve. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
You should learn about the First and Second Barbary Wars, early in the history of the U.S.

Back then, the problem was piracy.  Freebooters terrorized European and American shipping, capturing cargoes and enslaving passengers.  A lot of these pirates were state supported by the Pasha of Tripoli--for a reason I will get to in a moment.

Initially, the U.S. decided to pay tribute to these pirates to allow our ships safe passage.  But when Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to Tripoli to negotiate a deal, the Tripoli Ambassador told them this, according to Thomas Jefferson:

&lt;blockquote&gt; It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Jefferson now knew he was dealing not with ordinary criminals, but with religious fanatics.  And that there was no point in trying to appease such people.

So the United States went to war.  The fact that these pirates weren&#039;t a state didn&#039;t bother America one bit.  And the U.S. didn&#039;t just stop the pirates, but invaded Tripoli and stopped the state sponsorship as well (that&#039;s where the phrase &quot;shores of Tripoli&quot; comes from in the Marine Corps hymn).

Nothing&#039;s changed in over 200 years.  Today, we call them terrorists.  But the issue is the same:  They&#039;re not common criminals, because they are agents of radical Islam, just like their ancestors of two centuries ago.

And it&#039;s that ideology with which we are at war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>teabag:  To treat these criminals as honorable combatants is to elevate them to a level they do not deserve.<br />
You should learn about the First and Second Barbary Wars, early in the history of the U.S.</p>
<p>Back then, the problem was piracy.  Freebooters terrorized European and American shipping, capturing cargoes and enslaving passengers.  A lot of these pirates were state supported by the Pasha of Tripoli&#8211;for a reason I will get to in a moment.</p>
<p>Initially, the U.S. decided to pay tribute to these pirates to allow our ships safe passage.  But when Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to Tripoli to negotiate a deal, the Tripoli Ambassador told them this, according to Thomas Jefferson:</p>
<p> It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise.<br />
Jefferson now knew he was dealing not with ordinary criminals, but with religious fanatics.  And that there was no point in trying to appease such people.</p>
<p>So the United States went to war.  The fact that these pirates weren&#8217;t a state didn&#8217;t bother America one bit.  And the U.S. didn&#8217;t just stop the pirates, but invaded Tripoli and stopped the state sponsorship as well (that&#8217;s where the phrase &#8220;shores of Tripoli&#8221; comes from in the Marine Corps hymn).</p>
<p>Nothing&#8217;s changed in over 200 years.  Today, we call them terrorists.  But the issue is the same:  They&#8217;re not common criminals, because they are agents of radical Islam, just like their ancestors of two centuries ago.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s that ideology with which we are at war.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/911-trials-a-world-stage-for-jihad/comment-page-1#comment-72443</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frumforum.com/?p=15958#comment-72443</guid>
		<description>sdspringy: &lt;blockquote&gt; Obama and Holder could care less about KSM, they want Cheney, ateabag: &lt;blockquote&gt; To treat these criminals as honorable combatants is to elevate them to a level they do not deserve. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
You should learn about the First and Second Barbary Wars, early in the history of the U.S.

Back then, the problem was piracy.  Freebooters terrorized European and American shipping, capturing cargoes and enslaving passengers.  A lot of these pirates were state supported by the Pasha of Tripoli--for a reason I will get to in a moment.

Initially, the U.S. decided to pay tribute to these pirates to allow our ships safe passage.  But when Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to Tripoli to negotiate a deal, the Tripoli Ambassador told them this, according to Thomas Jefferson:

&lt;blockquote&gt; It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Jefferson now knew he was dealing not with ordinary criminals, but with religious fanatics.  And that there was no point in trying to appease such people.

So the United States went to war.  The fact that these pirates weren&#039;t a state didn&#039;t bother America one bit.  And the U.S. didn&#039;t just stop the pirates, but invaded Tripoli and stopped the state sponsorship as well (that&#039;s where the phrase &quot;shores of Tripoli&quot; comes from in the Marine Corps hymn).

Nothing&#039;s changed in over 200 years.  Today, we call them terrorists.  But the issue is the same:  They&#039;re not common criminals, because they are agents of radical Islam, just like their ancestors of two centuries ago.

And it&#039;s that ideology with which we are at war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sdspringy:  Obama and Holder could care less about KSM, they want Cheney, ateabag:  To treat these criminals as honorable combatants is to elevate them to a level they do not deserve.<br />
You should learn about the First and Second Barbary Wars, early in the history of the U.S.</p>
<p>Back then, the problem was piracy.  Freebooters terrorized European and American shipping, capturing cargoes and enslaving passengers.  A lot of these pirates were state supported by the Pasha of Tripoli&#8211;for a reason I will get to in a moment.</p>
<p>Initially, the U.S. decided to pay tribute to these pirates to allow our ships safe passage.  But when Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to Tripoli to negotiate a deal, the Tripoli Ambassador told them this, according to Thomas Jefferson:</p>
<p> It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise.<br />
Jefferson now knew he was dealing not with ordinary criminals, but with religious fanatics.  And that there was no point in trying to appease such people.</p>
<p>So the United States went to war.  The fact that these pirates weren&#8217;t a state didn&#8217;t bother America one bit.  And the U.S. didn&#8217;t just stop the pirates, but invaded Tripoli and stopped the state sponsorship as well (that&#8217;s where the phrase &#8220;shores of Tripoli&#8221; comes from in the Marine Corps hymn).</p>
<p>Nothing&#8217;s changed in over 200 years.  Today, we call them terrorists.  But the issue is the same:  They&#8217;re not common criminals, because they are agents of radical Islam, just like their ancestors of two centuries ago.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s that ideology with which we are at war.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/911-trials-a-world-stage-for-jihad/comment-page-1#comment-72442</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frumforum.com/?p=15958#comment-72442</guid>
		<description>lfc:  
No.

All our intelligence showed was that Osama bin Laden was &quot;determined to strike inside the U.S.&quot;

Given that he had already bombed the WTC but failed to destroy it--in 1993--we didn&#039;t need the CIA to remind us that he would try again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lfc:<br />
No.</p>
<p>All our intelligence showed was that Osama bin Laden was &#8220;determined to strike inside the U.S.&#8221;</p>
<p>Given that he had already bombed the WTC but failed to destroy it&#8211;in 1993&#8211;we didn&#8217;t need the CIA to remind us that he would try again.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: sdspringy</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/911-trials-a-world-stage-for-jihad/comment-page-1#comment-72438</link>
		<dc:creator>sdspringy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frumforum.com/?p=15958#comment-72438</guid>
		<description>It is a show trial, but the secret is what will the show be?

The AG states there is evidence available to assure a conviction.  Great.  There is also evidence available to convict KSM in Gitmo. Great.   So why bring KSM here for Civilian Criminal Court?

Because KSM isn&#039;t the show, he is the ticket to get the show rolling.  The show will be using KSM and his lawyers to bring out all the big bad Cheney torture evidence.   Obama and Holder could care less about KSM, they want Cheney, and Bush if possible.  Can&#039;t go after them directly, too messy, too noisy, too political.  But bring KSM to do the dirty work,  then the morally upright and dignified AG will have to act when all the big bad Cheney torture stuff is drug out.  

The looney Left has been hot for this chance, pressuring the AG and Obama.  KSM will have the best legal team Media Matters can buy and Soros can buy alot.  That legal team will let KSM on the stand to rant and rave, draw your attention, then present all the big bad Cheney torture stuff.  Look how terrible we are, or more specifically how bad Cheney/Bush is.   Thats when the fun starts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a show trial, but the secret is what will the show be?</p>
<p>The AG states there is evidence available to assure a conviction.  Great.  There is also evidence available to convict KSM in Gitmo. Great.   So why bring KSM here for Civilian Criminal Court?</p>
<p>Because KSM isn&#8217;t the show, he is the ticket to get the show rolling.  The show will be using KSM and his lawyers to bring out all the big bad Cheney torture evidence.   Obama and Holder could care less about KSM, they want Cheney, and Bush if possible.  Can&#8217;t go after them directly, too messy, too noisy, too political.  But bring KSM to do the dirty work,  then the morally upright and dignified AG will have to act when all the big bad Cheney torture stuff is drug out.  </p>
<p>The looney Left has been hot for this chance, pressuring the AG and Obama.  KSM will have the best legal team Media Matters can buy and Soros can buy alot.  That legal team will let KSM on the stand to rant and rave, draw your attention, then present all the big bad Cheney torture stuff.  Look how terrible we are, or more specifically how bad Cheney/Bush is.   Thats when the fun starts.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/911-trials-a-world-stage-for-jihad/comment-page-1#comment-72427</link>
		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frumforum.com/?p=15958#comment-72427</guid>
		<description>sinz54 @10 writes: &quot;The record is clear.  In the 1990s, we had trials for dozens of terrorists. We had indictments for dozens more. The result wasn’t deterrence of further attacks. The result was the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole. Clinton sent the FBI to investigate, treating it as a criminal problem. 11 months later, we got the destruction of 9-11.

That policy didn’t stop terrorism.

It left us wide open for the biggest terrorist attack ever.&quot;

Absolutely, 100% correct on the connections between the Democrat method of treating terrorist combatants as &quot;law enforcement problems&quot; and a fundamental failure of the US govt under Clinton to protect US citizens.  It isn&#039;t law enforcement: it&#039;s war.

Clinton and Clarke should be tried as accomplices to alQaeda.  Their fundamental failure to take the necessary steps to militarize our response to al Qaeda led to the deaths of thousands of Americans... all while Clinton chased some tail in the Oval Office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sinz54 @10 writes: &#8220;The record is clear.  In the 1990s, we had trials for dozens of terrorists. We had indictments for dozens more. The result wasn’t deterrence of further attacks. The result was the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole. Clinton sent the FBI to investigate, treating it as a criminal problem. 11 months later, we got the destruction of 9-11.</p>
<p>That policy didn’t stop terrorism.</p>
<p>It left us wide open for the biggest terrorist attack ever.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely, 100% correct on the connections between the Democrat method of treating terrorist combatants as &#8220;law enforcement problems&#8221; and a fundamental failure of the US govt under Clinton to protect US citizens.  It isn&#8217;t law enforcement: it&#8217;s war.</p>
<p>Clinton and Clarke should be tried as accomplices to alQaeda.  Their fundamental failure to take the necessary steps to militarize our response to al Qaeda led to the deaths of thousands of Americans&#8230; all while Clinton chased some tail in the Oval Office.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: teabag</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/911-trials-a-world-stage-for-jihad/comment-page-1#comment-72423</link>
		<dc:creator>teabag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frumforum.com/?p=15958#comment-72423</guid>
		<description>&quot;I have the feeling one reason they wanted it done this way is to deny al-qaeda military status, to make them be seen as ordinary criminals without military honor, a shoe to the face.&quot;

It makes sense. Al-Qaeda is not an army, does not wear uniforms, is not a country, indeed is not resident now in any one country.

The war on terror was always a dumb thing anyway. How can you have a war on a induced emotion!

Did we actually declare a war is in place if so how will we know we have won or lost? When do we say it&#039;s at an end if ever?


To treat these criminals as honorable combatants is to elevate them to a level they do not deserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have the feeling one reason they wanted it done this way is to deny al-qaeda military status, to make them be seen as ordinary criminals without military honor, a shoe to the face.&#8221;</p>
<p>It makes sense. Al-Qaeda is not an army, does not wear uniforms, is not a country, indeed is not resident now in any one country.</p>
<p>The war on terror was always a dumb thing anyway. How can you have a war on a induced emotion!</p>
<p>Did we actually declare a war is in place if so how will we know we have won or lost? When do we say it&#8217;s at an end if ever?</p>
<p>To treat these criminals as honorable combatants is to elevate them to a level they do not deserve.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

